Gheorghe Busuioc - Construct-Tech Solutions

The way we plan, communicate, and manage lifting operations is changing. But where should technology support the people doing the job, and where does human judgement still need to take the lead?

In this episode of The Construction Cogs Podcast, I’m joined by Gheorghe Busuioc, founder of Construct-Tech Solutions, to discuss the future of lift planning.

We explore how 3D RAMS and rescue plans can help lifting teams understand an operation before work begins, and why visualising a sequence can sometimes uncover problems that aren't obvious from traditional documentation alone.

We also get into AI and its growing role in lifting operations. Gheorghe explains why he believes AI should support experienced people rather than replace them, the problems he's encountered when technical documents are reviewed using AI, and why human judgement remains so important.

We also discuss Construct-Tech's WhatsApp-based AI assistant, digital lift plans, wind monitoring for cranes, and the wider challenge of ensuring important information actually reaches the people carrying out the work.

Plus, Gheorghe is giving one listener the chance to win a £400 Construct-Tech voucher.

Email me at info@constructioncogs.com for your chance to receive the voucher.

Topics include:

 3D RAMS and visual method statements

 3D rescue planning

 AI in lift planning

 Human judgement and experience

 The Construct-Tech WhatsApp AI assistant

 Digital lift plans and site documentation

 Wind monitoring and forecasting for cranes

 Getting information from the AP to the lifting team

 The future of lifting technology

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 <v Speaker0>But the thing that just probably bothered me the most using AI,
 
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 <v Speaker0>we just people just giving everything to AI. In my scenario,
 
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 <v Speaker0>let's put it this way, people review my documentation using AI,
 
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 <v Speaker0>using just the basic prompts.
 
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 <v Speaker0>And the only problem also it is with using this software is people not reviewing or reading again.
 
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 <v Speaker0>It just copy and paste and copy and paste it.
 
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 <v Speaker1>Yeah. So we're now at the point where we're writing instructions for an AI that's
 
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 <v Speaker1>going to read your instructions.
 
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 <v Speaker0>Exactly. That's why we're moving now. It's crazy, isn't it? It's crazy. It's crazy.
 
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 <v Speaker0>My opinion, I don't think so. You'll be getting very close, but you still need
 
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 <v Speaker0>the human input on the document.
 
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 <v Speaker0>The whole process in 3D, so we can understand every step of the way.
 
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 <v Speaker0>We can understand the process, we can see the risk in 3D. They are a concept of stuff. No!
 
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 <v Speaker0>It is! No!
 
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 <v Speaker0>Call back Jim, we're ready for you now mate.
 
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 <v Speaker1>Welcome to the Construction Cogs podcast, showing you the moving cogs of the construction machine.
 
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 <v Speaker1>Hello everyone, welcome back to the show. I've known George for a little while
 
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 <v Speaker1>now, he contacted me a few months ago to be interviewed, so I interviewed him
 
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 <v Speaker1>on the UK Construction Blog podcast.
 
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 <v Speaker1>That episode did really well. Since then, we've stayed in touch,
 
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 <v Speaker1>we've met up and have worked on a couple of things together.
 
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 <v Speaker1>George has since been working away in the lab, creating new ideas and new concepts,
 
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 <v Speaker1>so he's now here to tell us what he's been up to.
 
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 <v Speaker1>But before we start, like last
 
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 <v Speaker1>time, George will be showing us some of his projects on a screen share.
 
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 <v Speaker1>So if you're listening on one of the audio platforms, I recommend switching
 
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 <v Speaker1>to YouTube so that you can get the best experience.
 
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 <v Speaker1>Also, George is very kindly offering a chance to win a £400 voucher towards
 
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 <v Speaker1>one of his services to a deserving person who is in need of it.
 
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 <v Speaker1>I'll provide more about that at the end of the show.
 
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 <v Speaker1>So let's get into it. George, thanks very much for giving us this privilege again, mate.
 
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 <v Speaker0>Good morning, Jim.
 
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 <v Speaker1>Yes, morning. Thanks for giving up some of your Sundays. Well,
 
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 <v Speaker1>appreciate it. I know you went out on the lash last night.
 
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 <v Speaker0>Yeah, no problem, mate. It's my pleasure.
 
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 <v Speaker1>Yeah. So for those who didn't watch the previous show, can you give us a little
 
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 <v Speaker1>background on who you are and what you do in lifting operations?
 
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 <v Speaker0>Yeah, my name is Giorgio, but everyone knows me as George, so that's a Romanian's name.
 
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 <v Speaker0>I came through the lifting operation when I was 25 years old,
 
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 <v Speaker0>when I came here in England about 12 years ago.
 
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 <v Speaker0>And that's why I started up the ladder. So I started, you know,
 
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 <v Speaker0>as a slinger, then a supervisor and so on. And then I moved up to the AP.
 
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 <v Speaker0>When I got to this stage, I was trying to put everything together for other
 
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 <v Speaker0>company to start doing, you know, adding my passion, you know,
 
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 <v Speaker0>for 3D and graphic design.
 
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 <v Speaker0>And merged these two together, my full-time job and my hobby.
 
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 <v Speaker0>That was a hobby back then.
 
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 <v Speaker0>I put it all together. So I started creating the first 3D lift plant.
 
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 <v Speaker0>And while i was developing you know the 3d lift plan the people they,
 
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 <v Speaker0>haven't seen you know the last podcast i explained everything on the last podcast
 
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 <v Speaker0>about the 3d lift plan how it works and everything i probably were going to
 
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 <v Speaker0>do a little intro today we showed a little bit of the lift plan and what we're
 
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 <v Speaker0>doing what we're creating and now we,
 
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 <v Speaker0>we start adding these new features to more documentation which is probably show later on this video.
 
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 <v Speaker1>Yes wicked yes so yes we'll talk about the 3d lift plans actually yeah so
 
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 <v Speaker1>you so so you was a bit of a tech guy so you was a web designer before wasn't
 
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 <v Speaker1>you use mess around all that sort of stuff and all the 3d stuff so that that's
 
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 <v Speaker1>what i say you kind of merged it all together so your previous skills into the skills that you do now
 
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 <v Speaker0>Exactly yes so that's that's why when everything gets started,
 
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 <v Speaker0>yeah it started years ago when i'm working for another company so i start putting
 
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 <v Speaker0>everything together i'm trying to explain to them how you work because that's
 
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 <v Speaker0>that will shows you know a clear understanding across the business and put the documentation,
 
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 <v Speaker0>and i see their feedback when i showed my my first idea and everyone he was
 
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 <v Speaker0>like wow so that's that's why when everything gets started so i i thought that's
 
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 <v Speaker0>a good potential to start,
 
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 <v Speaker0>giving these to other companies as well, so everyone should have access to it.
 
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 <v Speaker0>And that's why we started in ConstructTech.
 
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 <v Speaker0>And that's why the name is Constructions in Technology, exactly why we merge
 
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 <v Speaker0>these two things together.
 
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 <v Speaker0>And when we started this about two years ago, the whole idea was to make this
 
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 <v Speaker0>documentation nice and clear so everybody can understand. There will be no language barriers.
 
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 <v Speaker0>And also developing all of these 3D plans.
 
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 <v Speaker0>We are being lately, I think we talked about in the last podcast,
 
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 <v Speaker0>about the 3D videos. So people can have more than pictures. They can have videos
 
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 <v Speaker0>and access from anywhere.
 
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 <v Speaker1>Yes. So, yes, we did speak about that. So we won't delve too deeply into that
 
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 <v Speaker1>at the moment because we covered it quite deeply before. But let's have a little
 
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 <v Speaker1>bit brief conversation about that.
 
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 <v Speaker1>So how did that come about then? How did that start? And what was the problem
 
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 <v Speaker1>that you saw first before you started doing that?
 
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 <v Speaker0>The first problem when we look on the documentation itself, you know,
 
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 <v Speaker0>across the other companies when we started doing the leaf plants, it was the bad pictures.
 
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 <v Speaker0>Because it's not just people seeing on the screens obviously some people you
 
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 <v Speaker0>know printing as well and that was a big problem when you're printing these
 
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 <v Speaker0>pictures sometimes you miss a safety.
 
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 <v Speaker0>Accessories for example like you know where the tagline can be missed or ratchet
 
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 <v Speaker0>straps so when we're creating this new idea i was thinking to trying to explain
 
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 <v Speaker0>this and make it more clear remove all that background keep everything nice and you know white,
 
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 <v Speaker0>and that will help you know the user when you when you're seeing the leaf plants
 
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 <v Speaker0>he can understand everything so,
 
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 <v Speaker0>when we create for example let's talking about a stillage and empty stillage all right,
 
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 <v Speaker0>when we create this 3d we're trying to zoom and snip all these new features
 
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 <v Speaker0>the taglines where you attach the taglines,
 
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 <v Speaker0>what you do with the ratchet straps, where is the chokes and all of this we're
 
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 <v Speaker0>trying to put out through all the documents for each lift individually so people
 
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 <v Speaker0>can understand the safety considerations as well a part of the documentation,
 
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 <v Speaker0>and all the documentation has got lots of writing, lots of words and not many
 
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 <v Speaker0>people are reading 2,000 words so we're trying to put out 2,000 words in a few
 
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 <v Speaker0>pictures so people when you just,
 
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 <v Speaker0>you know flick the paper they can see the,
 
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 <v Speaker0>images as well if you can't understand the images we're creating the the video
 
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 <v Speaker0>so they are making more clear people can scan it with their phones and you can
 
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 <v Speaker0>watch the full video and there you can see exactly step by step how you're lifting that item.
 
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 <v Speaker1>Yes yes gotcha i should have let's just step back a bit first actually i should
 
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 <v Speaker1>have done this um at the start so
 
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 <v Speaker1>most of the people who are watching this will probably be familiar what a lift
 
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 <v Speaker1>plan is but there might be some people who don't know what a lift plan is so
 
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 <v Speaker1>you just briefly explain what a lift plan is for those people please
 
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 <v Speaker0>It's basically a meta statement when we explain everything to the lifting team,
 
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 <v Speaker0>what equipment they use a lifting equipment,
 
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 <v Speaker0>either is a tower crane mobile crane crawler crane excavated cellophane the
 
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 <v Speaker0>fog lift and so on And we explain how this equipment,
 
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 <v Speaker0>it can be used safely.
 
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 <v Speaker0>And all of this stuff we need to put together with adding the risk assessment
 
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 <v Speaker0>as well at the end of the document.
 
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 <v Speaker0>So basically, it's like a manual for people. They don't know what,
 
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 <v Speaker0>you know, the first time in the lifting, you know, industry or is watching this
 
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 <v Speaker0>video is not on the lifting industry.
 
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 <v Speaker0>It's basically like a manual. We explain everything step-by-step to the user,
 
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 <v Speaker0>how to use equipment and how to use it safely.
 
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 <v Speaker0>And we're creating two documents. So one is the lift plan, where we explain
 
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 <v Speaker0>everything about the job,
 
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 <v Speaker0>about the risk, about the lifting equipment, the lifting accessories, and so on.
 
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 <v Speaker0>And then we create and separate, which is the schedule of leaks,
 
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 <v Speaker0>where we can list all the items that is agreed by the AP and the site team to lift things.
 
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 <v Speaker0>Under the lift plan.
 
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 <v Speaker1>Yeah so so everyone who's involved in lifting before they start lifting they
 
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 <v Speaker1>have to sign up to that lift plan to say that they read it and understood it
 
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 <v Speaker1>and that they're going to comply to it yeah um
 
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 <v Speaker1>yeah so what the problem you sold is a lot a lot of these lift plans are really really big documents
 
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 <v Speaker1>that can look quite complicated quite boring to read so what you've done you
 
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 <v Speaker1>made it more interactive you made it so that people can actually go into it and see um
 
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 <v Speaker1>see how the things um are going to be attached properly are going to be lifted
 
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 <v Speaker1>properly rather than just looking at a 2d picture which like you say isn't always
 
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 <v Speaker1>clear yeah yeah yeah and i think that's a lot better it's a lot more interactive and also um
 
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 <v Speaker1>you can move around the object as well so you can spin it around
 
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 <v Speaker0>Yes because we have two services so it's one that is just,
 
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 <v Speaker0>um like i showed the last time we just pictures clear pictures in 3d and with
 
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 <v Speaker0>videos as well in 3D and also,
 
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 <v Speaker0>we're offering the other services where we can but that's more what we're using
 
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 <v Speaker0>for contract lifting when it's narrow spaces where it's high risk working near
 
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 <v Speaker0>to I don't know airports you know,
 
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 <v Speaker0>train stations so we create that 3D where people you can use VR and you can watch that you know item,
 
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 <v Speaker0>we've done a few a few months ago we've done um presentation with a stair precast
 
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 <v Speaker0>stairs so you can scan the QR code and you see the precast stairs right in the room where you landed,
 
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 <v Speaker0>so that will give you exactly like you said it gives you a clear understanding
 
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 <v Speaker0>about the lifting and if it works or not and we do the same with friends.
 
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 <v Speaker1>Yes so that's that so now like I said before you've been working away in the
 
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 <v Speaker1>lab creating some new concepts and now you've come up with some 3D RAMS so RAMS
 
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 <v Speaker1>for anyone who doesn't know is risk assessment
 
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 <v Speaker1>risk assessment method statements talk to us about that
 
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 <v Speaker0>Yeah so a few months ago,
 
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 <v Speaker0>We have been contacted by one of the companies, one of the big data centers in Germany.
 
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 <v Speaker0>And they love our idea, you know, for 3D lift planning, because we're already
 
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 <v Speaker0>looking after that job, you know, for a couple of the tower cranes, the mobile cranes.
 
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 <v Speaker0>So they love the idea, and they come back to us and they said,
 
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 <v Speaker0>listen, can you guys do something similar, but on drums?
 
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 <v Speaker0>So our people understand better you know and visualize the whole.
 
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 <v Speaker0>Experience in 3d and now we were like let's let's try let's give it a try so
 
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 <v Speaker0>that was the first time when the idea pops in and,
 
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 <v Speaker0>we're trying to create this new documentation but these people need to understand
 
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 <v Speaker0>this is a bit different than the leaf planning.
 
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 <v Speaker0>A leaf planning is more like a catalog when people just see lots of,
 
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 <v Speaker0>you know, pictures and, um, it, but Rums is totally different.
 
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 <v Speaker0>Rums is more like in telling you the story from the start to, to the end.
 
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 <v Speaker0>So it tells people what to use, how to use, and it goes through all the,
 
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 <v Speaker0>um, step by step through all the operations, step by step.
 
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 <v Speaker0>So some examples, you know, starting with when delivery arrives,
 
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 <v Speaker0>vehicle wear positions and materials and loading.
 
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 <v Speaker0>So all of these for exclusion zones as well, we're creating exclusion zones, equipments and so on.
 
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 <v Speaker0>So that is a bit more detailed than a lift plan.
 
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 <v Speaker1>Yes, yes. So, again, just like the lift plan, sometimes these can be quite,
 
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 <v Speaker1>the rounds can be quite big, complicated documents, yeah?
 
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 <v Speaker1>Some people, I mean, to be honest, a lot of people...
 
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 <v Speaker1>They don't really read the lift cans or the rams properly. They just scan through
 
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 <v Speaker1>it and they just skim through it all and then just sign it off at the end.
 
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 <v Speaker1>And sometimes people can either not understand it or they just get bored of it.
 
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 <v Speaker1>So this is more interactive, isn't it? So it's a better way of engaging people
 
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 <v Speaker1>so they're watching it and they can see what's happening and they get more interested in it.
 
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 <v Speaker0>Yes, yes, that's true. So to make this even easier for users,
 
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 <v Speaker0>for the lifting team or people using the RAMs, we're creating contactless folders.
 
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 <v Speaker0>So people, and also we're using posters on site as well.
 
 00:13:44.687 --> 00:13:49.184
 <v Speaker0>So people have access to all the documentation. They have a QR code or they
 
 00:13:49.184 --> 00:13:53.714
 <v Speaker0>go back in the office. You have a contactless folder where you type your phone
 
 00:13:53.714 --> 00:13:56.524
 <v Speaker0>basically and you've got all the documentation on your phone.
 
 00:13:56.750 --> 00:14:01.504
 <v Speaker0>It comes a list and you choose which one you want to see. Either is a lift plan,
 
 00:14:01.504 --> 00:14:04.569
 <v Speaker0>runs a risk assessment, rescue planning.
 
 00:14:05.534 --> 00:14:10.634
 <v Speaker0>And all of this is just one click away. So you click, you have that PDF on your
 
 00:14:10.634 --> 00:14:14.664
 <v Speaker0>phone, and you can go and read it anywhere you like. If you don't know,
 
 00:14:15.506 --> 00:14:19.761
 <v Speaker0>you can just ask AI, which is, we covered this in a minute.
 
 00:14:20.347 --> 00:14:25.438
 <v Speaker0>We created a new AI for where people have access to it and you can ask any questions.
 
 00:14:25.723 --> 00:14:31.314
 <v Speaker0>So you don't have to scanning or downloading or or accessing any software you
 
 00:14:31.314 --> 00:14:36.025
 <v Speaker0>just go straight on whatsapp and you can ask the eye and you answer all your questions.
 
 00:14:36.919 --> 00:14:40.724
 <v Speaker1>Brilliant yes perfect like i said we'll cover that shortly but first do you
 
 00:14:40.724 --> 00:14:45.104
 <v Speaker1>think you could show us the screen share view one of your 3d rams shows how it works
 
 00:14:46.590 --> 00:14:50.602
 <v Speaker0>Yes let me put something for you okay,
 
 00:14:56.860 --> 00:15:03.564
 <v Speaker0>I will start with the whole idea. I will share now the 3D, exactly how we work on it.
 
 00:15:04.957 --> 00:15:10.675
 <v Speaker0>So this is when we start in our RAMs. This is the first step.
 
 00:15:11.186 --> 00:15:18.199
 <v Speaker0>We're trying to put everything, all the details together with our clients,
 
 00:15:18.744 --> 00:15:22.409
 <v Speaker0>understand exactly what they were doing, what they're using,
 
 00:15:22.409 --> 00:15:26.424
 <v Speaker0>and sometimes we create the environment as well. We have that as well.
 
 00:15:26.802 --> 00:15:29.439
 <v Speaker0>If you want, we can share that as well, where we create the environment,
 
 00:15:29.439 --> 00:15:31.486
 <v Speaker0>we create walls, we create everything.
 
 00:15:32.123 --> 00:15:38.903
 <v Speaker0>And this is how we started. We started to create the equipment.
 
 00:15:39.332 --> 00:15:43.239
 <v Speaker0>In this case, it's a cherry picker.
 
 00:15:45.749 --> 00:15:48.702
 <v Speaker0>This is using one of the projects in the center of London.
 
 00:15:49.445 --> 00:15:49.642
 <v Speaker1>Yeah.
 
 00:15:51.546 --> 00:15:57.461
 <v Speaker0>And after this, I'll share now with you the documents.
 
 00:16:00.021 --> 00:16:01.606
 <v Speaker0>And there you go. Can you see?
 
 00:16:02.175 --> 00:16:02.355
 <v Speaker1>Yep.
 
 00:16:03.510 --> 00:16:06.639
 <v Speaker0>So, yeah, this is TH. It's one of our projects in London Bridge.
 
 00:16:08.450 --> 00:16:14.778
 <v Speaker0>One of our clients. Here we got all the information about the lifting equipment, as we spoke earlier.
 
 00:16:15.769 --> 00:16:17.529
 <v Speaker0>A bit of information about the site.
 
 00:16:19.218 --> 00:16:23.665
 <v Speaker0>Um, agreed hand signal, PP and so on.
 
 00:16:24.106 --> 00:16:28.899
 <v Speaker0>And we moving down below details about equipment as well, more details about
 
 00:16:28.899 --> 00:16:31.689
 <v Speaker0>myself and there we go. This is what we do.
 
 00:16:32.009 --> 00:16:40.701
 <v Speaker0>We explain every, every details so people can understand from one picture, you can understand,
 
 00:16:43.436 --> 00:16:45.508
 <v Speaker0>you know, the whole operations.
 
 00:16:46.228 --> 00:16:46.431
 <v Speaker1>Yeah.
 
 00:16:47.958 --> 00:16:52.399
 <v Speaker0>This is just one of the small projects, but we also have bigger fires as well,
 
 00:16:53.178 --> 00:16:54.895
 <v Speaker0>where we explain bit by bit.
 
 00:16:55.069 --> 00:16:59.698
 <v Speaker0>And in some scenario, for example, for the data center, which is here, I find it a bit,
 
 00:17:00.358 --> 00:17:04.908
 <v Speaker0>difficult because we're using, as I explained earlier, you know,
 
 00:17:04.908 --> 00:17:07.548
 <v Speaker0>with deliveries using, you know, different lifting equipment,
 
 00:17:07.548 --> 00:17:11.009
 <v Speaker0>we have to split this sometimes in different documentations.
 
 00:17:11.375 --> 00:17:15.488
 <v Speaker0>So we have to split this in a lift plant, then comes under the rums and the
 
 00:17:15.488 --> 00:17:19.421
 <v Speaker0>rescue plant. So we have to split this in three different documentations.
 
 00:17:19.949 --> 00:17:25.632
 <v Speaker0>But all of them in altogether say telling the same story, the same operation.
 
 00:17:26.578 --> 00:17:29.988
 <v Speaker1>Okay. Okay. So. Oh, yeah.
 
 00:17:29.988 --> 00:17:35.012
 <v Speaker1>So, yeah. So this shows the sequence of operation, people and equipment positions,
 
 00:17:35.244 --> 00:17:41.138
 <v Speaker1>anchor points, harnesses and PPE checks, and how much information is conveyed
 
 00:17:41.138 --> 00:17:43.667
 <v Speaker1>visually compared to the written rams, basically.
 
 00:17:44.433 --> 00:17:49.908
 <v Speaker0>Exactly. And you see as a close-up, you can see where is the touch,
 
 00:17:49.908 --> 00:17:57.390
 <v Speaker0>is RNS, the anchor point, and also you can have emergency lowering video as well.
 
 00:17:57.732 --> 00:18:02.690
 <v Speaker0>It can explain to you how to get that person out of there safely.
 
 00:18:03.642 --> 00:18:05.788
 <v Speaker1>Oh, so that's on the QR code,
 
 00:18:05.788 --> 00:18:07.613
 <v Speaker0>Is it? Exactly, yes.
 
 00:18:07.961 --> 00:18:13.258
 <v Speaker1>Right. Okay. Okay. That's good. That's good. Great. Right. So let's,
 
 00:18:13.618 --> 00:18:15.008
 <v Speaker1>are we done with the screen share now?
 
 00:18:16.024 --> 00:18:16.564
 <v Speaker0>Yes.
 
 00:18:17.435 --> 00:18:21.939
 <v Speaker1>Brilliant. Let's go back to the normal screen. Yeah, great. That's good. So, um,
 
 00:18:24.105 --> 00:18:28.696
 <v Speaker1>So, what was that video? Sorry, that was part of the rescue plan video on the QR code, was it?
 
 00:18:30.020 --> 00:18:38.352
 <v Speaker0>Yeah, that was the rescue plan, and also on that documentary was the ramps as well.
 
 00:18:38.352 --> 00:18:39.035
 <v Speaker1>Yes, yes.
 
 00:18:39.035 --> 00:18:40.039
 <v Speaker0>There were two in one.
 
 00:18:40.834 --> 00:18:44.295
 <v Speaker1>Yeah, that's good, that's good. So, that leads us on to rescue planning,
 
 00:18:44.295 --> 00:18:48.135
 <v Speaker1>and yeah, that's another development you've been working on, isn't it?
 
 00:18:48.135 --> 00:18:50.825
 <v Speaker1>So, that really caught my attention. When we spoke about that the other day,
 
 00:18:50.825 --> 00:18:54.785
 <v Speaker1>it really caught my attention because crane rescue is something I've spoken
 
 00:18:54.785 --> 00:18:57.390
 <v Speaker1>about quite a lot, really, on social media.
 
 00:18:58.423 --> 00:19:03.758
 <v Speaker1>Because, for one, I don't think it's always done properly.
 
 00:19:04.234 --> 00:19:09.650
 <v Speaker1>And, you know, we've had a couple of people die over the past couple of years because
 
 00:19:12.210 --> 00:19:14.875
 <v Speaker1>there wasn't time to rescue them properly. As you can imagine,
 
 00:19:14.875 --> 00:19:18.675
 <v Speaker1>we're like 150 meters up in the air sometimes, so there's not time to get up
 
 00:19:18.675 --> 00:19:22.648
 <v Speaker1>to us. and I think it's an important thing to cover. So...
 
 00:19:24.543 --> 00:19:28.963
 <v Speaker1>You've created 3D rescue plans, not exclusive to cranes. You've done it for
 
 00:19:28.963 --> 00:19:31.963
 <v Speaker1>all other equipment as well. So let's talk about that.
 
 00:19:33.031 --> 00:19:38.070
 <v Speaker0>So, yeah. When we started a few months ago, the 3D runs,
 
 00:19:40.270 --> 00:19:44.119
 <v Speaker0>we developed this new service for rescue planning.
 
 00:19:44.630 --> 00:19:47.583
 <v Speaker0>And this is including for the power crane, mobile crane, also,
 
 00:19:47.583 --> 00:19:51.398
 <v Speaker0>as you see earlier, cherry pickers, telehandlers, excavators, and so on.
 
 00:19:52.478 --> 00:20:00.483
 <v Speaker0>And, um, the story is kind of the same with the ROMs when we creating this new, um,
 
 00:20:01.644 --> 00:20:08.893
 <v Speaker0>new documentation, we trying to explain the risk, basically as they are covering
 
 00:20:08.893 --> 00:20:12.349
 <v Speaker0>on the ROMs, but not as details on the rescue plan.
 
 00:20:12.871 --> 00:20:18.839
 <v Speaker0>So like, you know, there's bits explaining in the leaf plant for the tower cranes, right?
 
 00:20:19.576 --> 00:20:25.813
 <v Speaker0>But when we create a rescue plan, we're explaining how to get that person out
 
 00:20:25.813 --> 00:20:32.333
 <v Speaker0>from that equipment or, in some scenario, trying to get him down safely.
 
 00:20:33.198 --> 00:20:40.205
 <v Speaker0>And this is where we're creating the new equipment as well with one of our manufacturers.
 
 00:20:40.826 --> 00:20:45.772
 <v Speaker0>We're trying to create new equipment, a new rescue cage.
 
 00:20:47.205 --> 00:20:52.592
 <v Speaker0>And I think this has already been out there for a few months.
 
 00:20:53.383 --> 00:20:56.623
 <v Speaker0>When we saw on the 3D, while we were creating this.
 
 00:20:59.651 --> 00:21:04.313
 <v Speaker0>Presentation, we saw some small details. So we changed a little bit,
 
 00:21:04.313 --> 00:21:05.926
 <v Speaker0>you know, the crane rescue cages,
 
 00:21:06.594 --> 00:21:13.323
 <v Speaker0>which is, if you go on our partner's website, you can see we are adding new
 
 00:21:13.323 --> 00:21:18.808
 <v Speaker0>features to the rescue cages is just because when we did this 3D,
 
 00:21:19.574 --> 00:21:21.192
 <v Speaker0>we saw small details.
 
 00:21:22.702 --> 00:21:28.807
 <v Speaker0>And because of that, we changed, you know, small, you know, safety considerations,
 
 00:21:28.807 --> 00:21:33.743
 <v Speaker0>safety stuff, you know, about the harness and, you know, open the gate was one of the important stuff.
 
 00:21:35.427 --> 00:21:40.897
 <v Speaker0>And this is one of the good things where people need to understand with these
 
 00:21:40.897 --> 00:21:45.533
 <v Speaker0>technologies and the 3D, because when we're creating for our clients,
 
 00:21:45.823 --> 00:21:48.493
 <v Speaker0>put everything together in 3D, we can see more.
 
 00:21:49.647 --> 00:21:53.767
 <v Speaker0>We can understand the whole process. And, you know, it was many times when we
 
 00:21:54.067 --> 00:21:56.934
 <v Speaker0>went back to the client and said, this is not going to work like that.
 
 00:21:58.240 --> 00:22:06.053
 <v Speaker0>You know, or we find a new option that is probably easier just doing it this way.
 
 00:22:08.167 --> 00:22:11.243
 <v Speaker0>Do you understand what I'm saying? When we create this environment in 3D,
 
 00:22:11.551 --> 00:22:14.575
 <v Speaker0>we have a better understanding about the whole process, the whole operation.
 
 00:22:14.935 --> 00:22:20.106
 <v Speaker0>And this is why people understand now and our clients keep coming back to us
 
 00:22:20.547 --> 00:22:26.567
 <v Speaker0>because we offer them the whole experience in 3D.
 
 00:22:26.741 --> 00:22:29.144
 <v Speaker0>Because when we create these ramps,
 
 00:22:30.992 --> 00:22:35.454
 <v Speaker0>and the rescue planning. When we create, we're going step by step with the client.
 
 00:22:35.954 --> 00:22:39.808
 <v Speaker0>We explain everything, what we're creating, how it's going to work,
 
 00:22:40.093 --> 00:22:44.034
 <v Speaker0>and talking like we were talking now, they understand, you know, sometimes they can,
 
 00:22:44.800 --> 00:22:48.642
 <v Speaker0>cause some problems in some scenarios or won't work, you know,
 
 00:22:48.642 --> 00:22:52.631
 <v Speaker0>with that bit of equipment because everything that we create, we can understand.
 
 00:22:53.316 --> 00:22:58.732
 <v Speaker0>And it's easier for the management to understand and then all that information
 
 00:22:58.732 --> 00:23:04.967
 <v Speaker0>we're giving out on site, where people clearly see exactly what we what we've done.
 
 00:23:05.455 --> 00:23:09.592
 <v Speaker1>Yeah so the the good thing about that from what i can see is so that that 3d
 
 00:23:09.592 --> 00:23:13.924
 <v Speaker1>rescue plan is always there isn't it it all it's always available to look at
 
 00:23:14.319 --> 00:23:18.352
 <v Speaker1>so what i've found is what have i what i've experienced and what i've heard about is so
 
 00:23:19.118 --> 00:23:21.992
 <v Speaker1>i'll talk about cranes again because that's what i know so that you get your
 
 00:23:21.992 --> 00:23:27.007
 <v Speaker1>crane rescue teams who are trained they have like a training session where they're
 
 00:23:27.524 --> 00:23:31.117
 <v Speaker1>people go and teach them how to use the rescue kit and how to rescue an operator
 
 00:23:31.541 --> 00:23:34.345
 <v Speaker1>okay sometimes that's easy to follow but then
 
 00:23:34.873 --> 00:23:38.922
 <v Speaker1>they go away there's no refresher training so you go away and then when it comes
 
 00:23:38.922 --> 00:23:42.892
 <v Speaker1>to actually use it in real life i've known of people not actually know how to
 
 00:23:42.892 --> 00:23:47.917
 <v Speaker1>use the kit not how to how to put the kit on the person to get them off the crane so um
 
 00:23:48.452 --> 00:23:52.230
 <v Speaker1>it just delays the process so the good thing about this rescue plan is
 
 00:23:53.106 --> 00:23:56.962
 <v Speaker1>it's always there you can see it so you know you don't have to try and think
 
 00:23:56.962 --> 00:24:00.781
 <v Speaker1>back oh how did this happen how did that happen and you can even just do like little refresher um
 
 00:24:01.972 --> 00:24:05.274
 <v Speaker1>sessions just looking back at how to do it so that's good yeah
 
 00:24:05.564 --> 00:24:09.322
 <v Speaker0>Yeah and also you can have videos as well so you can watch that video as many
 
 00:24:09.322 --> 00:24:13.132
 <v Speaker0>times as you want it's not just one one session when you go in the room with
 
 00:24:13.132 --> 00:24:18.112
 <v Speaker0>another i don't know 10 15 people and everyone watched that video you know going
 
 00:24:18.552 --> 00:24:22.812
 <v Speaker0>you know through the process for one hour or two hours and then that's it you're
 
 00:24:22.812 --> 00:24:27.151
 <v Speaker0>done and you can be in that project for i don't know for one year two years or five years.
 
 00:24:27.992 --> 00:24:33.950
 <v Speaker0>And this one, that's the whole point of it. You can access it as many times
 
 00:24:33.950 --> 00:24:35.220
 <v Speaker0>as you want from anywhere.
 
 00:24:35.220 --> 00:24:41.590
 <v Speaker1>Yes. Brilliant. Love it. So obviously, there's different manufacturers that
 
 00:24:41.590 --> 00:24:47.334
 <v Speaker1>have different rescue procedures and methods of using their kit.
 
 00:24:47.613 --> 00:24:51.430
 <v Speaker1>So how do you make sure the rescue procedure you're illustrating is correct
 
 00:24:51.430 --> 00:24:53.488
 <v Speaker1>for that particular equipment being used?
 
 00:24:54.120 --> 00:25:00.980
 <v Speaker0>We follow exactly the manufacturer's guidance. So when we're creating this rescue
 
 00:25:00.980 --> 00:25:06.241
 <v Speaker0>planning, we obviously, we go and talk to the client what equipment they use.
 
 00:25:07.380 --> 00:25:11.370
 <v Speaker0>And we go, usually we go inside to understand where the crane is,
 
 00:25:11.370 --> 00:25:14.440
 <v Speaker0>where the equipment is stored and so on. We find out, you know,
 
 00:25:14.440 --> 00:25:18.215
 <v Speaker0>we're trying to understand how the equipment, we also, we've done our rescue,
 
 00:25:20.026 --> 00:25:22.120
 <v Speaker0>training as well. So we rescue training,
 
 00:25:24.908 --> 00:25:32.640
 <v Speaker0>on different equipment as well. and we we're trying to understand how is that you know used,
 
 00:25:33.232 --> 00:25:38.120
 <v Speaker0>and all of that details using we using the manufacturing you know manuals and
 
 00:25:38.120 --> 00:25:39.995
 <v Speaker0>stuff we put that all together,
 
 00:25:40.761 --> 00:25:46.180
 <v Speaker0>and we're creating these 3d visuals and we go even further in the videos as
 
 00:25:46.180 --> 00:25:50.345
 <v Speaker0>well so people can understand they have small training videos they can understand
 
 00:25:50.728 --> 00:25:53.242
 <v Speaker0>you know the the whole process
 
 00:25:53.648 --> 00:25:57.530
 <v Speaker0>how like you said how to use your harness how to click where to do it and we
 
 00:25:57.530 --> 00:26:01.670
 <v Speaker0>do the site specific we don't do general so that's why it's very important for
 
 00:26:01.670 --> 00:26:04.422
 <v Speaker0>us to go on site and understand the layout and everything
 
 00:26:04.840 --> 00:26:09.980
 <v Speaker0>on that video we also we explained where the kit is how to access the kit what
 
 00:26:09.980 --> 00:26:13.222
 <v Speaker0>you do the first you know every step of the way so you yeah.
 
 00:26:13.587 --> 00:26:16.610
 <v Speaker1>Yes i mean that's perfect i think every site should have that because that's
 
 00:26:16.610 --> 00:26:20.050
 <v Speaker1>another thing as well is knowing where the kit is because that's what i've seen
 
 00:26:20.050 --> 00:26:25.116
 <v Speaker1>as well so sometimes the kit is left in an office like i don't know
 
 00:26:26.265 --> 00:26:30.762
 <v Speaker1>500 yards away from where you're actually working sometimes it's at the base
 
 00:26:30.762 --> 00:26:32.970
 <v Speaker1>of the crane sometimes it's at the top of the crane
 
 00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:37.432
 <v Speaker1>so it's important so in an emergency you need to know exactly where that kit
 
 00:26:37.432 --> 00:26:41.762
 <v Speaker1>is straight away so you can go to it so how has this picked up then as many
 
 00:26:41.762 --> 00:26:44.505
 <v Speaker1>people pick this up you've used this regularly yet
 
 00:26:45.161 --> 00:26:50.672
 <v Speaker0>Yes i'm quite surprised you know in the last couple of months we are so busy
 
 00:26:50.672 --> 00:26:55.872
 <v Speaker0>we've never been before we had sometimes like 50 documents request in one day,
 
 00:26:55.872 --> 00:26:58.344
 <v Speaker0>which it was really, really busy.
 
 00:26:58.762 --> 00:27:02.532
 <v Speaker0>Yeah. I think I talked to you over the phone a few times. I told you,
 
 00:27:02.532 --> 00:27:04.062
 <v Speaker0>yeah, it was really, really busy.
 
 00:27:04.422 --> 00:27:09.572
 <v Speaker0>But thanks to everyone trusting us, all our clients and partners as well,
 
 00:27:09.572 --> 00:27:16.710
 <v Speaker0>because it's mean a lot for us, especially because we are a small company compared with, you know,
 
 00:27:17.383 --> 00:27:20.024
 <v Speaker0>our competitors on the market. So it's mean a lot.
 
 00:27:21.324 --> 00:27:25.772
 <v Speaker0>And I appreciate people understand this. is not just about technology sometimes
 
 00:27:25.772 --> 00:27:28.250
 <v Speaker0>about what we create and you know.
 
 00:27:29.238 --> 00:27:33.733
 <v Speaker1>Yeah i mean well this is the thing people create technology sometimes for the
 
 00:27:33.733 --> 00:27:38.903
 <v Speaker1>sake of technology but this is technology that's for a purpose so a useful purpose
 
 00:27:38.903 --> 00:27:43.779
 <v Speaker1>uh that everybody can use and you know potentially save lives and make the life job
 
 00:27:44.203 --> 00:27:48.766
 <v Speaker1>the life and the job easier for everybody so it's good and and yeah
 
 00:27:49.544 --> 00:27:52.263
 <v Speaker1>yeah you said to me before you i mean you've been working till one o'clock at
 
 00:27:52.263 --> 00:27:56.523
 <v Speaker1>night sometimes a lot of nights and you had to you've actually now had to give
 
 00:27:56.523 --> 00:28:01.323
 <v Speaker1>up your job haven't you full-time the job that you had before uh purely because
 
 00:28:01.323 --> 00:28:02.808
 <v Speaker1>this is just taken off now isn't it
 
 00:28:03.621 --> 00:28:06.573
 <v Speaker1>yes exactly yeah it's good news just thanks
 
 00:28:06.573 --> 00:28:14.163
 <v Speaker0>To everyone it's um yeah after you know we had the last podcast and um is all
 
 00:28:14.163 --> 00:28:18.056
 <v Speaker0>these things start picking up and thanks to everyone watching it and
 
 00:28:18.486 --> 00:28:21.853
 <v Speaker0>you know people contact me as well on linkedin,
 
 00:28:22.317 --> 00:28:28.471
 <v Speaker0>because this is where we share all our stuff is just using just linkedin and our website.
 
 00:28:29.394 --> 00:28:35.833
 <v Speaker1>Yeah love it love it it's good let's talk about your expertise now so before
 
 00:28:35.833 --> 00:28:41.509
 <v Speaker1>we get to the next topic um what are you seeing in the industry that's bothering you
 
 00:28:42.095 --> 00:28:48.521
 <v Speaker0>It's a bit funny because i'm using a lot of ai like probably everyone else now these days.
 
 00:28:49.032 --> 00:28:54.663
 <v Speaker0>Yeah. But the thing I just probably bother me the most using AI is just people
 
 00:28:54.663 --> 00:28:57.716
 <v Speaker0>just giving everything to AI. In my,
 
 00:28:58.732 --> 00:29:03.145
 <v Speaker0>scenario, let's put it this way, people review my documentation using AI,
 
 00:29:03.145 --> 00:29:04.624
 <v Speaker0>using just the basic prompts.
 
 00:29:05.141 --> 00:29:11.924
 <v Speaker0>And this is where just this kind of, you know, processing gives us more and more work.
 
 00:29:12.570 --> 00:29:18.965
 <v Speaker0>And the only problem also is when using this software is people not reviewing
 
 00:29:18.965 --> 00:29:22.245
 <v Speaker0>or reading again, they just copy and paste and copy and paste it.
 
 00:29:22.245 --> 00:29:27.035
 <v Speaker0>And I've seen lots of comments on our documentation out daily where it just
 
 00:29:27.383 --> 00:29:32.108
 <v Speaker0>it has no sense we're creating for the tower crane we're receiving i don't know,
 
 00:29:32.764 --> 00:29:34.955
 <v Speaker0>feedbacks you know comments for,
 
 00:29:36.055 --> 00:29:41.105
 <v Speaker0>different you know different equipments then we have to go back to the some
 
 00:29:41.105 --> 00:29:45.295
 <v Speaker0>of these people they're trying to explain to them this is not meant for us it's
 
 00:29:45.295 --> 00:29:46.447
 <v Speaker0>not meant for what we're doing,
 
 00:29:47.097 --> 00:29:51.925
 <v Speaker0>and in this i think this is the problem where the industry is going now.
 
 00:29:51.925 --> 00:29:58.132
 <v Speaker0>They're trying to use the AI and trying, in my opinion, to copy and paste it.
 
 00:30:02.172 --> 00:30:06.035
 <v Speaker1>And I think this is the problem. So they're like creating lift plans and RAMs
 
 00:30:06.035 --> 00:30:08.435
 <v Speaker1>using like ChatGBT, is that what you're saying?
 
 00:30:09.416 --> 00:30:17.328
 <v Speaker0>Yeah, they do this also as well. Some of them, they're trying to create a new software using the AI.
 
 00:30:18.255 --> 00:30:21.705
 <v Speaker0>Companies are now creating softwares. I use it as well. Don't get me wrong.
 
 00:30:21.705 --> 00:30:23.487
 <v Speaker0>I use it as any kind of stuff.
 
 00:30:24.004 --> 00:30:27.098
 <v Speaker0>But I use it to create tools to help me to create something else.
 
 00:30:27.638 --> 00:30:31.305
 <v Speaker0>For example, that's why we covered
 
 00:30:31.305 --> 00:30:34.714
 <v Speaker0>this today. We covered the AI they're using as well for our clients.
 
 00:30:35.405 --> 00:30:39.005
 <v Speaker0>We're not using the AI just to generate something, and we just lay back and
 
 00:30:39.005 --> 00:30:40.890
 <v Speaker0>watch the telly or drinking a coffee.
 
 00:30:41.775 --> 00:30:48.896
 <v Speaker0>When we create this, we use an AI. We review everything that we do. We use an AI as a tool.
 
 00:30:50.114 --> 00:30:54.671
 <v Speaker0>Nor an assistant, which is different, in my opinion.
 
 00:30:55.286 --> 00:31:00.409
 <v Speaker1>Yeah, yeah. So this has actually been talked about a lot on LinkedIn I've seen
 
 00:31:00.409 --> 00:31:03.009
 <v Speaker1>recently. A lot of people are complaining about this. They're getting a lot
 
 00:31:03.009 --> 00:31:09.565
 <v Speaker1>of documents that are just plain to see that it's been produced by an AI bot.
 
 00:31:11.659 --> 00:31:14.580
 <v Speaker1>And this is dangerous on so many levels, really. For a start,
 
 00:31:16.003 --> 00:31:19.839
 <v Speaker1>what we'll get, and what is probably happening already, is inexperienced or
 
 00:31:20.199 --> 00:31:25.449
 <v Speaker1>unqualified APs who are just going to mock these quick lift plans up without
 
 00:31:25.449 --> 00:31:28.727
 <v Speaker1>really knowing what's on them or even if they're accurate.
 
 00:31:29.964 --> 00:31:35.109
 <v Speaker1>It'll also dumb people down eventually. So the skill, the judgment and the knowledge
 
 00:31:35.109 --> 00:31:38.959
 <v Speaker1>that goes into the lift plans and all the other documents will get lost because
 
 00:31:38.959 --> 00:31:42.619
 <v Speaker1>people become reliant on OpenAI, on the software.
 
 00:31:44.377 --> 00:31:47.769
 <v Speaker1>I mean, I don't understand it because anyone who knows what they're looking
 
 00:31:47.769 --> 00:31:54.252
 <v Speaker1>at, like I said with these you see that it's like chat GBT lift pen or something and for it to be
 
 00:31:55.552 --> 00:32:00.747
 <v Speaker1>anywhere near accurate or competent or good enough for people to use.
 
 00:32:00.747 --> 00:32:06.650
 <v Speaker1>There's so much coding and so much instructions and prompts that you have to put into it.
 
 00:32:06.992 --> 00:32:10.617
 <v Speaker1>You might as well just make it yourself properly anyway. You know what I mean?
 
 00:32:10.617 --> 00:32:15.147
 <v Speaker0>People need to understand that's not accurate as well. I see so many lift plans
 
 00:32:15.147 --> 00:32:18.434
 <v Speaker0>as well because you review it from our clients as well.
 
 00:32:19.677 --> 00:32:25.592
 <v Speaker0>People are using this for calculations, which is these AIs at this point, they're not accurate,
 
 00:32:26.654 --> 00:32:31.197
 <v Speaker0>do you know something we we have lots of papers like this where we go in you
 
 00:32:31.197 --> 00:32:34.237
 <v Speaker0>know research when we do it in the leaf plants because obviously we don't know
 
 00:32:34.237 --> 00:32:38.267
 <v Speaker0>anything and we can't trust the ai because we we tried this in the beginning
 
 00:32:38.267 --> 00:32:41.358
 <v Speaker0>we tried to you know to test this if it's working,
 
 00:32:42.078 --> 00:32:45.997
 <v Speaker0>even we tried to train it because i spoke to you on the last uh on the last
 
 00:32:45.997 --> 00:32:51.447
 <v Speaker0>podcast we tried to training our ai to understand all the whole you know engineering
 
 00:32:51.447 --> 00:32:55.528
 <v Speaker0>stuff calculations you know bearing pressures and you know all of this stuff,
 
 00:32:56.439 --> 00:33:02.220
 <v Speaker0>but it's done a lot of mistakes so we're trying to stop this because it won't work,
 
 00:33:03.387 --> 00:33:08.954
 <v Speaker0>and obviously now lately when we have this problem keep you know keep.
 
 00:33:10.695 --> 00:33:17.295
 <v Speaker0>Moving on on these ais we what we've done on our documentation we have to create
 
 00:33:17.731 --> 00:33:20.407
 <v Speaker0>a new page right at the end of the documentation,
 
 00:33:20.953 --> 00:33:25.335
 <v Speaker0>what we're calling document review and commenting and revision protocol.
 
 00:33:25.666 --> 00:33:31.843
 <v Speaker0>So people, when we're taking our documents and dropping to AI, ChatGPT,
 
 00:33:32.940 --> 00:33:38.564
 <v Speaker0>That little part from our documentation, it gives his AI, you know,
 
 00:33:38.564 --> 00:33:42.974
 <v Speaker0>a bit of overview about our documents. So why it needs to go and where it needs
 
 00:33:42.974 --> 00:33:45.560
 <v Speaker0>to look for. No searching for anything else.
 
 00:33:45.815 --> 00:33:50.065
 <v Speaker0>No giving, you know, the basic or standard, you know, review.
 
 00:33:50.724 --> 00:33:55.045
 <v Speaker0>It gives you the scope of our documents as well.
 
 00:33:56.604 --> 00:33:59.784
 <v Speaker0>If you understand what we're talking about. So we have to introduce this new
 
 00:33:59.784 --> 00:34:00.907
 <v Speaker0>page just because of that.
 
 00:34:01.656 --> 00:34:07.344
 <v Speaker1>Yeah. So we're now at the point where we're writing instructions for an AI that's
 
 00:34:07.344 --> 00:34:08.901
 <v Speaker1>going to read your instructions.
 
 00:34:09.435 --> 00:34:16.203
 <v Speaker0>Exactly. That's what we're moving now. It's crazy, isn't it? It's crazy. It is crazy.
 
 00:34:16.894 --> 00:34:20.444
 <v Speaker0>Because, you know, sometimes we're going back and forth, back and forth with
 
 00:34:20.444 --> 00:34:24.713
 <v Speaker0>all these comments. Sometimes it took us about three weeks to finish one lift plan.
 
 00:34:25.578 --> 00:34:25.985
 <v Speaker1>Yeah.
 
 00:34:26.501 --> 00:34:27.790
 <v Speaker0>Just because of that.
 
 00:34:28.771 --> 00:34:29.131
 <v Speaker1>Yeah.
 
 00:34:31.505 --> 00:34:36.924
 <v Speaker1>Do you think we're ever going to be at the stage where this AI is going to do
 
 00:34:36.924 --> 00:34:41.164
 <v Speaker1>it all accurately and you won't need people to get the AI to do everything?
 
 00:34:41.164 --> 00:34:42.796
 <v Speaker1>Do you think it'll ever be at that stage?
 
 00:34:44.684 --> 00:34:49.934
 <v Speaker0>My opinion, I don't think so. You'll be getting very close, but you still need
 
 00:34:49.934 --> 00:34:52.461
 <v Speaker0>the human input on the document.
 
 00:34:52.827 --> 00:34:58.374
 <v Speaker0>And I don't think so. People I see on LinkedIn trying to advertise this new,
 
 00:34:58.374 --> 00:35:06.322
 <v Speaker0>you know, 3D AI lift plans or whatever they're calling lift plan AI lift plan UK and then trying to,
 
 00:35:08.151 --> 00:35:14.043
 <v Speaker0>creating as a template, you know, AI documentation, which is, I think, it won't work.
 
 00:35:15.616 --> 00:35:19.459
 <v Speaker0>It can get you, you know, a nice idea where, you know, where you can start,
 
 00:35:19.714 --> 00:35:24.225
 <v Speaker0>but you won't work in the long term because it only gives, you know,
 
 00:35:25.165 --> 00:35:28.956
 <v Speaker0>general information. It never gives you specific information for the site.
 
 00:35:29.612 --> 00:35:33.272
 <v Speaker0>And this information sometimes can change as well. We've done it many times.
 
 00:35:33.272 --> 00:35:36.659
 <v Speaker0>We're doing, you know, documentation for our clients,
 
 00:35:37.251 --> 00:35:41.542
 <v Speaker0>rams and stuff so we when we sometimes when we put all all together because
 
 00:35:41.542 --> 00:35:45.402
 <v Speaker0>we watching like i explained to you earlier the whole process in 3d so we can
 
 00:35:45.402 --> 00:35:51.613
 <v Speaker0>understand every step of the way we can understand the process we can see the risk in 3d,
 
 00:35:52.803 --> 00:35:57.643
 <v Speaker0>the ai can't see this stuff you can't see the risk which is this is one of the,
 
 00:35:58.421 --> 00:36:04.342
 <v Speaker0>we consider very well you know and the ai you wonder the ai sometimes you skip
 
 00:36:04.342 --> 00:36:07.767
 <v Speaker0>it and this is a problem in the industry right now.
 
 00:36:08.585 --> 00:36:12.219
 <v Speaker1>Yeah yeah and also situations change um
 
 00:36:13.403 --> 00:36:19.679
 <v Speaker1>you know not every job goes goes smoothly there's sometimes there's sometimes times where you need to
 
 00:36:20.224 --> 00:36:23.802
 <v Speaker1>look at the situation go what how can we do it differently now so let's amend
 
 00:36:23.802 --> 00:36:27.932
 <v Speaker1>this on the lift plan let's do it like this that's not really something i mean
 
 00:36:28.392 --> 00:36:30.572
 <v Speaker1>ai can't go out onto site and
 
 00:36:31.232 --> 00:36:33.599
 <v Speaker1>look at a project and go, oh, actually, that's not working.
 
 00:36:34.557 --> 00:36:37.784
 <v Speaker1>Let's do that like that. We can't get around that area because that's blind.
 
 00:36:38.104 --> 00:36:40.704
 <v Speaker1>We can't, you know, you can't list something underneath that,
 
 00:36:41.018 --> 00:36:46.142
 <v Speaker1>I don't know, that slab that's sticking out because the ropes are rubbing against
 
 00:36:46.142 --> 00:36:49.876
 <v Speaker1>the building, so we'll have to do it like this. Let's use a cantilever beam instead.
 
 00:36:50.219 --> 00:36:53.544
 <v Speaker1>Little things like that AI is not going to be able to see. Yeah.
 
 00:36:54.809 --> 00:37:02.733
 <v Speaker0>AI is not ready yet, and I don't think it's going to be ready for the next probably 10 years but I,
 
 00:37:04.248 --> 00:37:10.338
 <v Speaker0>Um, at this point is still in the early stages where we can,
 
 00:37:10.703 --> 00:37:13.675
 <v Speaker0>we can use it as a tool and people need to understand this,
 
 00:37:14.180 --> 00:37:20.636
 <v Speaker0>create tools, create something that can help you, you know, repetitive stuff,
 
 00:37:21.205 --> 00:37:22.764
 <v Speaker0>something that you're doing every day.
 
 00:37:22.764 --> 00:37:27.834
 <v Speaker0>I don't know, sending emails or follow-up, you can create agents to do the follow-up
 
 00:37:27.834 --> 00:37:32.931
 <v Speaker0>for you. So you don't have to do each e-bias individually for your clients.
 
 00:37:34.057 --> 00:37:38.804
 <v Speaker0>You can do all these small steps They can help you to save time But you can't
 
 00:37:38.804 --> 00:37:43.164
 <v Speaker0>rely on the AI to do The whole thing And you just go and sit down Or you go
 
 00:37:43.164 --> 00:37:46.746
 <v Speaker0>out, you have a bit of fun And you come back and it's all done You,
 
 00:37:47.286 --> 00:37:50.610
 <v Speaker0>won't because it's not ready yet And I don't think so it's going to be ready.
 
 00:37:51.645 --> 00:37:56.514
 <v Speaker1>Yeah, I agree, especially with lifting operations when everything's safety critical
 
 00:37:57.032 --> 00:37:58.923
 <v Speaker1>and you need so much human judgment.
 
 00:37:59.126 --> 00:38:02.721
 <v Speaker1>It's a little bit, a lot of it's common sense as well. When you look at situations,
 
 00:38:02.721 --> 00:38:05.582
 <v Speaker1>you have to have a bit of common sense about the situation.
 
 00:38:06.053 --> 00:38:08.521
 <v Speaker1>I don't know if AI's got common sense or not, to be honest with you,
 
 00:38:08.521 --> 00:38:14.001
 <v Speaker1>but yeah, it's a dangerous game. It really is. But I think people are wanting
 
 00:38:14.001 --> 00:38:17.645
 <v Speaker1>a quick fix, aren't they? They're wanting a quick fix and they're lazy.
 
 00:38:18.168 --> 00:38:22.474
 <v Speaker1>Um you know you might try to be making a quick buck or whatever just quickly
 
 00:38:22.835 --> 00:38:26.091
 <v Speaker1>quickly mock that up or quickly do that with ai but yeah
 
 00:38:26.591 --> 00:38:30.251
 <v Speaker1>like i said you need to you need to have those core skills and that core human
 
 00:38:30.251 --> 00:38:34.351
 <v Speaker1>judgment to to do this properly and so yeah very good very good do
 
 00:38:34.834 --> 00:38:39.663
 <v Speaker0>You know how many times you know people ask us if we're using ai for the visuals
 
 00:38:39.960 --> 00:38:43.424
 <v Speaker0>you know we're creating the 3d and we're trying to explain no this is no ai
 
 00:38:43.698 --> 00:38:46.408
 <v Speaker0>this is what we're doing manually we create everything manually,
 
 00:38:46.965 --> 00:38:52.003
 <v Speaker0>and people are like oh i thought you just the whole thing is just ais like wow
 
 00:38:52.258 --> 00:38:54.391
 <v Speaker0>we don't do ais because you know
 
 00:38:54.391 --> 00:38:58.237
 <v Speaker0>how many people they already trying with trap gpt to create you know um,
 
 00:38:58.911 --> 00:39:04.111
 <v Speaker0>the uh the 3d leaf plants trying to create you know the slinging method the
 
 00:39:04.111 --> 00:39:08.181
 <v Speaker0>chokes tagline it won't work i'm trying to explain to them it won't work you
 
 00:39:08.181 --> 00:39:12.459
 <v Speaker0>can give them as many promises as you want. It won't work. We've tried it.
 
 00:39:13.162 --> 00:39:14.967
 <v Speaker0>Yeah. And it's not working.
 
 00:39:15.298 --> 00:39:19.791
 <v Speaker1>I've tried it myself. So I wrote a document, a blog post about...
 
 00:39:21.771 --> 00:39:27.163
 <v Speaker1>Slinger hand signals so it was about all the slinger hand signals i wanted to create images
 
 00:39:27.953 --> 00:39:31.373
 <v Speaker1>to show all the different hand signals i've done it before i've had a person
 
 00:39:31.373 --> 00:39:34.113
 <v Speaker1>i've done a video of i've had a person giving them all the signals i thought
 
 00:39:34.113 --> 00:39:38.943
 <v Speaker1>maybe i'll do that show some pictures i thought no i'll test chat gbt see if
 
 00:39:38.943 --> 00:39:41.467
 <v Speaker1>it can create some images for me and that
 
 00:39:42.042 --> 00:39:47.660
 <v Speaker1>was the by far the longest process of the of the article because it just wasn't
 
 00:39:47.967 --> 00:39:51.603
 <v Speaker1>doing the images properly so like you got simple things like your hands like
 
 00:39:51.603 --> 00:39:53.233
 <v Speaker1>that or like that it would just
 
 00:39:53.233 --> 00:39:57.041
 <v Speaker1>have the hand upside down and and just the thumb in the wrong position
 
 00:39:57.250 --> 00:40:01.516
 <v Speaker0>I tried myself as well i tried it it's not working.
 
 00:40:02.253 --> 00:40:06.473
 <v Speaker1>It came to the point where i was raging at and i'll say to look come on how
 
 00:40:06.473 --> 00:40:11.173
 <v Speaker1>fucking hard is this you're such a clever machine i'm telling you to have the thumb up
 
 00:40:11.553 --> 00:40:14.993
 <v Speaker1>with the face with the palm of the hand facing inwards and you're doing it opposite
 
 00:40:14.993 --> 00:40:18.143
 <v Speaker1>what is wrong with you i was going mad honestly and also
 
 00:40:18.143 --> 00:40:21.913
 <v Speaker0>He changed his face he changed him you know the clothing as well he changed
 
 00:40:21.913 --> 00:40:25.833
 <v Speaker0>everything yes every prompt he started changing stuff and i was like oh,
 
 00:40:27.006 --> 00:40:31.063
 <v Speaker0>and we have to do it we have to be in 3d it takes a lot it takes time but when
 
 00:40:31.063 --> 00:40:34.941
 <v Speaker0>i because i fall same as yourself with ai probably is quicker,
 
 00:40:36.265 --> 00:40:39.663
 <v Speaker0>yeah yeah in one work so we have to do everything in 3d we have our you know
 
 00:40:39.663 --> 00:40:44.353
 <v Speaker0>hand signals as well done yeah yeah yeah because every time he changes his face
 
 00:40:44.353 --> 00:40:49.307
 <v Speaker0>as well and that was that was annoying exactly the same with you change his face,
 
 00:40:51.217 --> 00:40:54.050
 <v Speaker0>right then he changed the clothes you know i was like oh.
 
 00:40:54.253 --> 00:40:58.093
 <v Speaker1>Yeah and i know and i would say to look i did not ask you to change all the
 
 00:40:58.093 --> 00:41:00.673
 <v Speaker1>clothing it did not ask you to change what the guy looks like
 
 00:41:01.033 --> 00:41:05.003
 <v Speaker1>i just asked you to stick a thumb up in the air and have the hand move like
 
 00:41:05.003 --> 00:41:08.363
 <v Speaker1>that and it's you know i mean it just was not getting it but i did eventually
 
 00:41:08.363 --> 00:41:11.570
 <v Speaker1>get it in the end but it took absolutely ages so
 
 00:41:12.011 --> 00:41:15.753
 <v Speaker1>yes please don't use ai for these things people it's not good it really isn't
 
 00:41:15.753 --> 00:41:17.647
 <v Speaker1>if you can do it yourself do it yourself
 
 00:41:19.046 --> 00:41:23.017
 <v Speaker1>oh it's a nightmare so let's move on to the next topic so
 
 00:41:24.444 --> 00:41:29.343
 <v Speaker1>What's AI again? What's that messaging? What's that?
 
 00:41:30.609 --> 00:41:37.026
 <v Speaker0>What's up AI? Yes. So for people to understand this easy, people that are watching
 
 00:41:37.026 --> 00:41:41.936
 <v Speaker0>us right now, is when we create all this documentation, we put everything in folders.
 
 00:41:41.936 --> 00:41:45.936
 <v Speaker0>We're trying to, you know, get access to people out there as quickly and easy
 
 00:41:45.936 --> 00:41:51.661
 <v Speaker0>as we can using, you know, QR codes, using different stuff, different softwares.
 
 00:41:52.265 --> 00:41:57.478
 <v Speaker0>But we were thinking, what about if people have these interactions with the document?
 
 00:41:57.809 --> 00:42:00.938
 <v Speaker0>And you can answer directly from the document. You're not just asking,
 
 00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:06.331
 <v Speaker0>Chargpt or Gemini or Cloud, how can you lift, I don't know, a candidate?
 
 00:42:07.335 --> 00:42:12.466
 <v Speaker0>No, we don't want that. We don't want general information. So we were thinking,
 
 00:42:12.806 --> 00:42:15.869
 <v Speaker0>what about, because it's already this, our document is on the cloud.
 
 00:42:17.778 --> 00:42:22.283
 <v Speaker0>So it's already on the cloud. how people can access this not just download and go through the pages,
 
 00:42:23.032 --> 00:42:26.520
 <v Speaker0>we make that easy anyway you can click and text you to the page you want it
 
 00:42:26.956 --> 00:42:28.236
 <v Speaker0>but we're thinking what about if
 
 00:42:28.236 --> 00:42:32.662
 <v Speaker0>you go around the site and you're taking pictures and you can ask the eye,
 
 00:42:33.312 --> 00:42:35.436
 <v Speaker0>can i lift this it probably don't
 
 00:42:35.436 --> 00:42:39.553
 <v Speaker0>even know what's he calling because you know these people you know um,
 
 00:42:40.546 --> 00:42:44.776
 <v Speaker0>with limited you know english so we're thinking or you sometimes you don't know
 
 00:42:44.776 --> 00:42:48.226
 <v Speaker0>how you're calling because he's got different you know different names so what
 
 00:42:48.226 --> 00:42:50.575
 <v Speaker0>we're thinking what about if we create this ai.
 
 00:42:51.991 --> 00:42:57.971
 <v Speaker0>And people can have access to the documentation and can have access to the right information.
 
 00:42:58.986 --> 00:43:01.802
 <v Speaker0>So we're creating this WhatsApp.
 
 00:43:03.149 --> 00:43:04.903
 <v Speaker0>We're trying to figure out what's
 
 00:43:04.903 --> 00:43:08.443
 <v Speaker0>the easiest way. We don't want people to install a different software.
 
 00:43:08.826 --> 00:43:11.993
 <v Speaker0>People going through another process because some people are like,
 
 00:43:11.993 --> 00:43:16.709
 <v Speaker0>I'm not doing this. I don't want to install a different app just because you're offering this.
 
 00:43:17.121 --> 00:43:19.966
 <v Speaker0>So I was like, okay, you have WhatsApp on your phone? There you go.
 
 00:43:20.262 --> 00:43:21.510
 <v Speaker0>So we put this on WhatsApp.
 
 00:43:21.864 --> 00:43:28.127
 <v Speaker0>So people now, you can have access to the specific documentation.
 
 00:43:29.233 --> 00:43:34.033
 <v Speaker0>So give you an example, how accessing these documents, it's easier.
 
 00:43:34.353 --> 00:43:39.151
 <v Speaker0>You just, you have to tell AI who you're working for, construct codes.
 
 00:43:39.354 --> 00:43:45.083
 <v Speaker0>So I changed this for our presentation today to your brand, to your company.
 
 00:43:45.083 --> 00:43:48.362
 <v Speaker0>So we changed this. You can give them construct codes.
 
 00:43:48.763 --> 00:43:53.244
 <v Speaker0>And then we're thinking, okay, so how does AI knows now in which job I am?
 
 00:43:53.500 --> 00:43:56.037
 <v Speaker0>Because, you know, contractor workers now have 100 jobs.
 
 00:43:56.855 --> 00:43:57.140
 <v Speaker1>Yeah.
 
 00:43:57.592 --> 00:44:04.471
 <v Speaker0>So we give him, you know, a job number. And for today, it's going to be CG123.
 
 00:44:05.453 --> 00:44:09.613
 <v Speaker0>So that's the code number. So it's like a PIN number. So once you have this
 
 00:44:09.613 --> 00:44:13.543
 <v Speaker0>information, he can go on AI, he answer, you know, these two questions and he
 
 00:44:13.543 --> 00:44:15.547
 <v Speaker0>knows where you are. You know what job you are.
 
 00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:20.693
 <v Speaker0>And then he use that information specifically for that job and he answered directly
 
 00:44:20.693 --> 00:44:21.973
 <v Speaker0>from the documentation.
 
 00:44:22.664 --> 00:44:26.397
 <v Speaker0>No, anything else, assuming or going Google it or going on the internet,
 
 00:44:26.716 --> 00:44:28.411
 <v Speaker0>is answered directly from that.
 
 00:44:29.341 --> 00:44:34.104
 <v Speaker1>This is an important point. So OpenAI, when you put a search into ChatGPT or
 
 00:44:34.104 --> 00:44:36.568
 <v Speaker1>everything, it will be scraping the internet for information.
 
 00:44:36.841 --> 00:44:40.764
 <v Speaker1>So all this information is not scraping the internet. It's not searching all
 
 00:44:40.764 --> 00:44:46.012
 <v Speaker1>of that internet stuff. It's purely what's the documents that are specific for that site.
 
 00:44:46.836 --> 00:44:52.224
 <v Speaker0>Exactly. You will take all the information. You will read the documents we upload
 
 00:44:52.644 --> 00:44:55.880
 <v Speaker0>on the system specifically for the job.
 
 00:44:56.246 --> 00:45:01.128
 <v Speaker0>It could be in today we're going to have the um um the leaf plants,
 
 00:45:01.697 --> 00:45:06.784
 <v Speaker0>but we cannot you know the rescue plants runs and so on and when it gets to
 
 00:45:06.784 --> 00:45:10.734
 <v Speaker0>that stage he will ask you if you have a different you know leaf plants for
 
 00:45:10.734 --> 00:45:13.150
 <v Speaker0>excavator telephan the tower crane so on,
 
 00:45:13.730 --> 00:45:18.254
 <v Speaker0>he will ask you which one you want to access it you will be either for the tower
 
 00:45:18.254 --> 00:45:22.914
 <v Speaker0>crane mobile friend and you answer direct from that leaf plants nothing else
 
 00:45:23.198 --> 00:45:28.051
 <v Speaker0>it won't go mad you won't go looking on the internet or you know you will answer,
 
 00:45:28.864 --> 00:45:33.644
 <v Speaker0>only strict on you ask it which is i think this is this is easier for people
 
 00:45:33.644 --> 00:45:38.307
 <v Speaker0>like you mentioned earlier you know rescue plan sometimes you need that information you need it now,
 
 00:45:38.975 --> 00:45:43.903
 <v Speaker0>yes you don't want to go in you know go in looking you know with 50 pages documentation,
 
 00:45:45.064 --> 00:45:46.899
 <v Speaker0>yes yes so yes,
 
 00:45:48.455 --> 00:45:49.888
 <v Speaker0>but you need information right now.
 
 00:45:50.247 --> 00:45:54.954
 <v Speaker1>So i mean for the audience so to give a simple example if i'm up a crane let's
 
 00:45:54.954 --> 00:45:56.570
 <v Speaker1>say i'm lifting glass panels
 
 00:45:57.272 --> 00:46:01.914
 <v Speaker1>um i don't know what wind speed i can lift those glass panels at so each item
 
 00:46:01.914 --> 00:46:06.734
 <v Speaker1>can be a specific wind speed maybe the ap isn't on site maybe it's an off-site
 
 00:46:06.734 --> 00:46:09.939
 <v Speaker1>ap so i have to ring the ap blah blah blah what's this wind speed or
 
 00:46:10.531 --> 00:46:14.714
 <v Speaker1>i have to speak to someone to go down look at the the lift plan and i have to
 
 00:46:14.714 --> 00:46:18.154
 <v Speaker1>rummage through this massive document rather than doing all that i can just
 
 00:46:18.154 --> 00:46:22.674
 <v Speaker1>get on the phone check the whatsapp message what is the wind speed limit for lifting
 
 00:46:23.209 --> 00:46:29.339
 <v Speaker1>uh glass panels and it just tell me straight away you know whatever it is simple as that yes yeah
 
 00:46:30.232 --> 00:46:34.495
 <v Speaker0>And that also will tell you what page is in the document as well.
 
 00:46:34.495 --> 00:46:38.271
 <v Speaker0>So if you need to look for more information, probably, I don't know,
 
 00:46:38.606 --> 00:46:40.595
 <v Speaker0>you still have it on your phone, let's put it this way.
 
 00:46:40.595 --> 00:46:44.275
 <v Speaker0>You have the PDF and you're not sure or you think, hold on a minute,
 
 00:46:44.275 --> 00:46:48.265
 <v Speaker0>it can't be right. Let me double check because it's very important to double
 
 00:46:48.265 --> 00:46:51.605
 <v Speaker0>check we're using the AIs. It doesn't matter who created these AIs.
 
 00:46:52.510 --> 00:46:56.075
 <v Speaker0>It's very important to double check. So you can have this quick information
 
 00:46:56.075 --> 00:47:00.887
 <v Speaker0>on your hand, but I want to tell everyone, don't rely on the AIs.
 
 00:47:01.681 --> 00:47:06.035
 <v Speaker0>This is just to give you, you know, a quick information, but you have to keep,
 
 00:47:06.035 --> 00:47:10.947
 <v Speaker0>you know, to check the document as well. Because AI can be still making mistakes.
 
 00:47:11.776 --> 00:47:15.465
 <v Speaker1>Yes, absolutely. And I mean, I'm going to challenge it a little bit now.
 
 00:47:15.465 --> 00:47:18.284
 <v Speaker1>So what happens if the information isn't in the document?
 
 00:47:19.433 --> 00:47:24.175
 <v Speaker0>They will tell you to contact me, to contact Constructing. So if you can't find,
 
 00:47:26.535 --> 00:47:29.415
 <v Speaker0>something that you're looking for, it will ask you a different question as well.
 
 00:47:30.275 --> 00:47:33.520
 <v Speaker0>For example, you're taking a picture and you can't find it in a document.
 
 00:47:33.822 --> 00:47:35.134
 <v Speaker0>They will ask you a few questions.
 
 00:47:35.964 --> 00:47:38.035
 <v Speaker0>You're trying to understand what you're exactly looking for.
 
 00:47:38.035 --> 00:47:42.582
 <v Speaker0>Because some of the products or items or loads when you're lifting,
 
 00:47:43.128 --> 00:47:45.601
 <v Speaker0>it could be named different.
 
 00:47:47.198 --> 00:47:50.475
 <v Speaker0>People call them, you know, different. For example, you know,
 
 00:47:50.475 --> 00:47:52.922
 <v Speaker0>pericages. We all, everyone use it.
 
 00:47:53.316 --> 00:47:56.395
 <v Speaker0>In some scenario, people use them pallet cages or wire cages or,
 
 00:47:56.395 --> 00:47:58.169
 <v Speaker0>you know, different names.
 
 00:47:58.413 --> 00:48:00.845
 <v Speaker0>And you're trying to understand which one you're looking for.
 
 00:48:00.845 --> 00:48:03.063
 <v Speaker0>And then we give journalists, okay, we're finding these cages.
 
 00:48:03.475 --> 00:48:06.076
 <v Speaker0>This cage, this cage, this cage. Which one is yours?
 
 00:48:06.796 --> 00:48:09.367
 <v Speaker0>And when you tell them, this is number one or it's number two,
 
 00:48:09.646 --> 00:48:13.065
 <v Speaker0>he will understand. He goes and pull all the information out from the document.
 
 00:48:13.663 --> 00:48:16.255
 <v Speaker0>And if you're still not happy or you just, you know, you want to,
 
 00:48:16.255 --> 00:48:20.375
 <v Speaker0>you know, find out a bit more information, it will tell you the page number.
 
 00:48:20.375 --> 00:48:25.425
 <v Speaker0>So you can go on the document, it's 72, bang, you go straight to 72 and you
 
 00:48:25.425 --> 00:48:26.840
 <v Speaker0>read that all for yourself.
 
 00:48:27.374 --> 00:48:30.457
 <v Speaker0>And also it can give you links for the videos.
 
 00:48:31.315 --> 00:48:35.935
 <v Speaker0>So if that Perikage has a QR code with the videos, you also,
 
 00:48:37.137 --> 00:48:40.765
 <v Speaker0>you will take that link and will, you know, reply to you with the link so you
 
 00:48:40.765 --> 00:48:42.625
 <v Speaker0>can watch the video direct on your phone.
 
 00:48:42.625 --> 00:48:48.306
 <v Speaker0>You don't have to go in the document and, you know, do this manually. It's just quite quick.
 
 00:48:49.246 --> 00:48:52.745
 <v Speaker1>Yeah, there's so much there. And there's so much combined in that as well,
 
 00:48:52.745 --> 00:48:55.278
 <v Speaker1>all the resources combined in that as well.
 
 00:48:57.031 --> 00:49:01.515
 <v Speaker1>So what happens if somebody phrases the question badly? Maybe there's a language
 
 00:49:01.515 --> 00:49:05.994
 <v Speaker1>barrier or their grammar's not right or whatever, and they phrase it badly. What happens then?
 
 00:49:07.306 --> 00:49:10.585
 <v Speaker0>He will ask you questions. He will try to understand.
 
 00:49:10.585 --> 00:49:15.075
 <v Speaker0>And if you can't understand, we're trying to understand exactly what you're saying.
 
 00:49:15.075 --> 00:49:18.305
 <v Speaker0>So you keep going till you understand, or you're asking to take pictures.
 
 00:49:18.305 --> 00:49:22.775
 <v Speaker0>Can you have a picture? Or go on Google and take a picture, or drop a link or
 
 00:49:22.775 --> 00:49:25.899
 <v Speaker0>a picture, and then he will understand exactly what you meant.
 
 00:49:27.825 --> 00:49:33.090
 <v Speaker0>Let's say if you still can't understand exactly what it is, in a worst-case scenario,
 
 00:49:34.501 --> 00:49:38.363
 <v Speaker0>then he will refer you to contact us. He will give you our email address and
 
 00:49:38.363 --> 00:49:43.263
 <v Speaker0>phone number, contact, you know, construct it, and then people will contact
 
 00:49:43.263 --> 00:49:45.524
 <v Speaker0>me directly, and we take him from there.
 
 00:49:46.459 --> 00:49:52.253
 <v Speaker1>Okay, yeah. And is it, could somebody misunderstand the answer and treat the
 
 00:49:52.253 --> 00:49:54.783
 <v Speaker1>chatbot as permission to carry out a lift?
 
 00:49:56.879 --> 00:50:04.603
 <v Speaker0>We never had this problem, and to be honest, we never thought about someone
 
 00:50:04.603 --> 00:50:06.793
 <v Speaker0>just to treating this AI just because of that.
 
 00:50:06.793 --> 00:50:12.779
 <v Speaker0>Because the reason is when we're giving this out to the AI, we brief them exactly what it is.
 
 00:50:13.168 --> 00:50:17.905
 <v Speaker0>So that seems very important. We communicate with the lifting team.
 
 00:50:18.021 --> 00:50:22.131
 <v Speaker0>We explain to them exactly what is the purpose of that AI.
 
 00:50:22.972 --> 00:50:26.995
 <v Speaker0>It's not replacing us to replacing the AP or replacing the supervisor.
 
 00:50:27.389 --> 00:50:30.668
 <v Speaker0>That is just, as we spoke earlier, it's just the tool,
 
 00:50:31.126 --> 00:50:37.133
 <v Speaker0>to make your life easier to access the information quicker is not just relying
 
 00:50:37.133 --> 00:50:42.603
 <v Speaker0>on your lips and also we have a disclaimer as well where he tells you before
 
 00:50:42.603 --> 00:50:44.163
 <v Speaker0>you're starting to treat him,
 
 00:50:44.623 --> 00:50:49.447
 <v Speaker0>as it is don't rely on him you have to you know check the information.
 
 00:50:49.969 --> 00:50:53.783
 <v Speaker1>Yes that's correct so like you say even if it gives an answer and you're not
 
 00:50:53.783 --> 00:50:58.213
 <v Speaker1>really sure about it always check with someone like yourself or a supervisor
 
 00:50:58.213 --> 00:50:59.862
 <v Speaker1>anyway, just to confirm.
 
 00:51:00.889 --> 00:51:06.229
 <v Speaker0>Yeah, and this is a good thing because people always have our contact as well.
 
 00:51:07.604 --> 00:51:10.593
 <v Speaker0>So, you know, there's so many, so many jobs I've been where,
 
 00:51:10.933 --> 00:51:13.635
 <v Speaker0>you know, the lift team, you don't even know the AP's names.
 
 00:51:14.268 --> 00:51:18.503
 <v Speaker0>You don't even have his phone numbers. You don't, you know, and I'm not talking
 
 00:51:18.503 --> 00:51:20.794
 <v Speaker0>about just the slingers.
 
 00:51:21.019 --> 00:51:22.801
 <v Speaker0>I'm talking even sometimes the supervisors.
 
 00:51:23.806 --> 00:51:28.163
 <v Speaker0>They don't know who the AP is because we're going in many, many projects where
 
 00:51:28.163 --> 00:51:31.426
 <v Speaker0>we go for one of our, you know, the main client.
 
 00:51:32.285 --> 00:51:35.675
 <v Speaker0>Then we go to subcontractors and we're trying to understand what they're doing,
 
 00:51:36.279 --> 00:51:37.753
 <v Speaker0>and what they're lifting and so on.
 
 00:51:37.773 --> 00:51:41.376
 <v Speaker0>You're trying to explain to them, you know, give them some information.
 
 00:51:42.043 --> 00:51:45.973
 <v Speaker0>And we have this conversation sometimes when we're asking, okay, but who is your AP?
 
 00:51:46.844 --> 00:51:49.845
 <v Speaker0>Who briefed you or who told you to do this and that? And he's like,
 
 00:51:50.321 --> 00:51:51.865
 <v Speaker0>I don't know, mate. I've never seen them.
 
 00:51:52.272 --> 00:51:55.604
 <v Speaker0>He always said, you know, we have the lift line in office. We sign it and that's it. Done.
 
 00:51:56.550 --> 00:52:03.017
 <v Speaker0>I'm like, who made you ever see it? We do some projects, you know.
 
 00:52:04.056 --> 00:52:08.996
 <v Speaker0>In Scotland or, you know, in Europe as well, far from London, where we're biased.
 
 00:52:09.756 --> 00:52:13.066
 <v Speaker0>But that doesn't mean we're not briefing people. We always go like here,
 
 00:52:13.066 --> 00:52:17.570
 <v Speaker0>we go on Teams or Zoom. We go to, you know, NIFTing Team or over the phone.
 
 00:52:17.825 --> 00:52:20.792
 <v Speaker0>We explain to them, this is the documentation. This is what we're sending.
 
 00:52:21.065 --> 00:52:24.826
 <v Speaker0>This is the new update. Same on email. We explain everything on email.
 
 00:52:24.826 --> 00:52:28.227
 <v Speaker0>We're trying to put as many as information so people can brief.
 
 00:52:28.668 --> 00:52:32.896
 <v Speaker0>And also, we're asking for a proof as well. We're asking for proof where people
 
 00:52:32.896 --> 00:52:37.526
 <v Speaker0>sign the documentation. We make sure the people sign, the people understand the documentation.
 
 00:52:37.892 --> 00:52:42.986
 <v Speaker0>It's always our contact numbers and email address where people can contact us
 
 00:52:42.986 --> 00:52:47.736
 <v Speaker0>directly and talk to us. And everything that we talk with, lifting team or people
 
 00:52:47.736 --> 00:52:49.415
 <v Speaker0>on site, is always confident.
 
 00:52:49.694 --> 00:52:53.646
 <v Speaker0>Because it's good to get the feedback. We're creating this documentation like
 
 00:52:53.646 --> 00:52:55.208
 <v Speaker0>everyone else is watching now.
 
 00:52:55.818 --> 00:53:00.578
 <v Speaker0>And you're not always there to watch all the operations.
 
 00:53:01.019 --> 00:53:04.056
 <v Speaker0>You're not always there. So you're thinking in your goodwill,
 
 00:53:04.056 --> 00:53:06.720
 <v Speaker0>everyone has followed your document. Everyone, you know why they're there.
 
 00:53:07.004 --> 00:53:10.568
 <v Speaker0>And there are not many people. So what we're saying is no problem about this.
 
 00:53:11.201 --> 00:53:14.063
 <v Speaker0>You have our contact numbers. If you're not sure, just give us a call.
 
 00:53:15.364 --> 00:53:19.534
 <v Speaker0>And that's why we're trying to create this AI as well. So if you don't want
 
 00:53:19.534 --> 00:53:23.994
 <v Speaker0>to call me, at least you have the information on your part. And you can ask
 
 00:53:23.994 --> 00:53:25.991
 <v Speaker0>him any times, as many times as you want.
 
 00:53:26.798 --> 00:53:30.984
 <v Speaker1>Yeah, it is really useful, particularly for all listing operators.
 
 00:53:30.984 --> 00:53:34.714
 <v Speaker1>But I mean, even for like somebody, let's say a crane operator,
 
 00:53:34.714 --> 00:53:38.565
 <v Speaker1>they're off on holiday and then somebody comes in for a couple of days to cover them.
 
 00:53:38.895 --> 00:53:41.525
 <v Speaker1>They're not familiar with the job. They're not familiar with the procedures.
 
 00:53:41.728 --> 00:53:45.188
 <v Speaker1>They might read the lift plan. They might not. They might skim it. like I said earlier.
 
 00:53:46.291 --> 00:53:49.264
 <v Speaker1>So something comes up and, oh, okay, yeah.
 
 00:53:49.264 --> 00:53:53.744
 <v Speaker1>So before they go out of the crane, you give them this WhatsApp thing and say,
 
 00:53:53.744 --> 00:53:59.114
 <v Speaker1>if you have any queries, just ask this and then confirm with us if you need
 
 00:53:59.114 --> 00:54:02.084
 <v Speaker1>to. So, yeah, someone unfamiliar with the job, they can just quickly look at
 
 00:54:02.084 --> 00:54:04.124
 <v Speaker1>that and they can check the information for themselves.
 
 00:54:04.670 --> 00:54:06.283
 <v Speaker1>So very useful.
 
 00:54:06.707 --> 00:54:11.354
 <v Speaker0>And nobody else is here, just us. So we have access to all the logs,
 
 00:54:11.354 --> 00:54:14.062
 <v Speaker0>all the information, people, you know, asking there, right?
 
 00:54:14.608 --> 00:54:19.104
 <v Speaker0>Because we're trying not to, but then we find out that much easier for us when
 
 00:54:19.104 --> 00:54:22.844
 <v Speaker0>we're trying to speak to our client, trying to ask him a few questions on AI.
 
 00:54:23.105 --> 00:54:25.694
 <v Speaker0>And it's good for us to understand exactly what he's looking for.
 
 00:54:25.694 --> 00:54:27.604
 <v Speaker0>So we need to access these informations.
 
 00:54:28.202 --> 00:54:32.584
 <v Speaker0>Obviously, we don't have any information about the full numbers and stuff.
 
 00:54:32.584 --> 00:54:34.721
 <v Speaker0>We only see the messages.
 
 00:54:35.046 --> 00:54:38.574
 <v Speaker0>So we go, we see the messages. Sometimes it could be an error.
 
 00:54:38.574 --> 00:54:43.394
 <v Speaker0>Sometimes it could be different stuff. So we're trying to understand and be
 
 00:54:43.394 --> 00:54:46.900
 <v Speaker0>on top of these problems as well, to try to solve them as we're going.
 
 00:54:47.283 --> 00:54:51.433
 <v Speaker0>Because we had, because we're still in early stages when we create this new system, new service.
 
 00:54:52.252 --> 00:54:54.714
 <v Speaker0>We didn't have many problems, but, you know, some, you know,
 
 00:54:54.714 --> 00:54:58.494
 <v Speaker0>like you said, misunderstanding what your AI didn't understand exactly what
 
 00:54:58.494 --> 00:55:02.244
 <v Speaker0>he was trying to explain or he couldn't read the pictures, you know,
 
 00:55:02.244 --> 00:55:06.625
 <v Speaker0>small, small stuff. Now we fix all these bugs. So everything is working out.
 
 00:55:07.665 --> 00:55:14.108
 <v Speaker0>Um, but this is very important for people to understand AI is just out there
 
 00:55:14.108 --> 00:55:16.361
 <v Speaker0>just to help us, not replace us.
 
 00:55:16.982 --> 00:55:23.338
 <v Speaker1>Yes. I mean, this is the thing. Um, a lot of people out there are scared that
 
 00:55:23.338 --> 00:55:27.128
 <v Speaker1>it is going to replace the human beings, but it isn't.
 
 00:55:27.488 --> 00:55:31.783
 <v Speaker1>It's like I said, it's a tool. It's a tool to make our lives easier and safer
 
 00:55:32.276 --> 00:55:38.268
 <v Speaker1>and more productive. You know, this, I mean, I was against AI a couple of years ago.
 
 00:55:39.288 --> 00:55:43.858
 <v Speaker1>I just didn't like it at all, but I'm starting to embrace it now and it's making
 
 00:55:43.858 --> 00:55:48.648
 <v Speaker1>my life a lot easier. It really is. And you still have to put the effort in.
 
 00:55:48.648 --> 00:55:49.946
 <v Speaker1>You still have to have the knowledge.
 
 00:55:50.668 --> 00:55:54.958
 <v Speaker1>You still have to do the work, but it's just easier for you to do your work
 
 00:55:54.958 --> 00:55:58.822
 <v Speaker1>and just, yeah, get things done a lot quicker. So, so yeah, it's good.
 
 00:55:59.926 --> 00:56:05.894
 <v Speaker1>Let's move on to wind. So people should know that lifting operations can be affected by wind.
 
 00:56:06.294 --> 00:56:10.915
 <v Speaker1>So another thing you're developing is a wind speed app, specifically with cranes
 
 00:56:10.915 --> 00:56:13.254
 <v Speaker1>and lifting equipment. Talk to us about that.
 
 00:56:13.735 --> 00:56:20.065
 <v Speaker0>We use lots of other, you know, different wind apps out there.
 
 00:56:20.065 --> 00:56:25.025
 <v Speaker0>There's ICSI Weather, what it is, BBC Weather, people use it,
 
 00:56:25.025 --> 00:56:30.105
 <v Speaker0>or windy.com, which we find is very useful as well. is a very good app for people
 
 00:56:30.105 --> 00:56:32.078
 <v Speaker0>who never use it. Use windy.com.
 
 00:56:32.798 --> 00:56:38.075
 <v Speaker0>In my opinion, it's more reliable than XC weather. Yeah.
 
 00:56:38.795 --> 00:56:39.427
 <v Speaker1>What is that?
 
 00:56:40.615 --> 00:56:41.424
 <v Speaker0>Windy.com.
 
 00:56:41.772 --> 00:56:43.090
 <v Speaker1>Windy.com. Okay.
 
 00:56:43.264 --> 00:56:46.995
 <v Speaker0>Yes. They use now on ships,
 
 00:56:49.040 --> 00:56:52.785
 <v Speaker0>even in Air Force, in the Army, they're using windy.com. It's very,
 
 00:56:52.785 --> 00:56:55.402
 <v Speaker0>very important, very accurate as well.
 
 00:56:56.174 --> 00:57:00.825
 <v Speaker0>So we were looking at all these apps. We're trying to understand how they work
 
 00:57:00.825 --> 00:57:04.383
 <v Speaker0>and if it can be used in different heights as well.
 
 00:57:05.364 --> 00:57:09.275
 <v Speaker0>And this starts when we see that software people are still now using on the
 
 00:57:09.275 --> 00:57:10.902
 <v Speaker0>tower cranes, a wind crane.
 
 00:57:11.900 --> 00:57:15.815
 <v Speaker0>But that, you see, that's specific for that crane, for that job.
 
 00:57:16.135 --> 00:57:18.569
 <v Speaker0>And you know a few people have access to that.
 
 00:57:19.080 --> 00:57:23.973
 <v Speaker0>And we're trying to understand when we work in one of our projects in a city,
 
 00:57:25.041 --> 00:57:28.885
 <v Speaker0>there was our job where we have access to all this wind speed and there was
 
 00:57:28.885 --> 00:57:32.765
 <v Speaker0>another job right next to us and he was keep carrying work working while our
 
 00:57:32.765 --> 00:57:34.852
 <v Speaker0>crane was winded off which I said why,
 
 00:57:35.571 --> 00:57:40.982
 <v Speaker0>because we are right next door he was like you know 10 meters away from each other and then we,
 
 00:57:42.009 --> 00:57:46.061
 <v Speaker0>we were looking on his screen is I haven't seen you know the anionometer,
 
 00:57:47.141 --> 00:57:50.855
 <v Speaker0>so we're thinking hold on a minute what about if this guy you have access to
 
 00:57:50.855 --> 00:57:57.793
 <v Speaker0>our software as well so he can he can you know access and you can see the wind in real time.
 
 00:57:59.279 --> 00:58:03.207
 <v Speaker0>So that was the only proper idea, okay, what about if we do this and we create
 
 00:58:03.207 --> 00:58:09.043
 <v Speaker0>this out and it gives you different wind speed on different heights.
 
 00:58:09.583 --> 00:58:13.377
 <v Speaker0>Start from the ground level all the way up to, I don't know,
 
 00:58:13.377 --> 00:58:15.828
 <v Speaker0>100 or 200 meters up in the air.
 
 00:58:16.588 --> 00:58:20.948
 <v Speaker0>So when we create this new idea, same, use an AI, good thing.
 
 00:58:21.958 --> 00:58:26.718
 <v Speaker0>Yeah, we use AI, about three different AIs.
 
 00:58:27.304 --> 00:58:33.336
 <v Speaker0>And we connect these three different apps one of them is mathematics windy.com,
 
 00:58:33.916 --> 00:58:37.486
 <v Speaker0>and there is another one weather weather app or something like that,
 
 00:58:38.670 --> 00:58:43.747
 <v Speaker0>we create all these three apps to give in the accurate wind speed at different
 
 00:58:43.747 --> 00:58:48.760
 <v Speaker0>levels yeah because all of this is using different.
 
 00:58:50.887 --> 00:58:56.875
 <v Speaker0>Different logic some of them are used for you know lighting which is very important in lifting industry,
 
 00:58:57.432 --> 00:59:00.996
 <v Speaker0>windy.com is very good for wind speed on different heights
 
 00:59:01.351 --> 00:59:06.847
 <v Speaker0>and meteoromatics is very good with anticipating you know the weather as well
 
 00:59:06.847 --> 00:59:11.137
 <v Speaker0>the weather changing the wind speed and you know the clouds and stuff like that
 
 00:59:11.137 --> 00:59:14.463
 <v Speaker0>so we put all these three together and we're trying to create something,
 
 00:59:15.258 --> 00:59:16.831
 <v Speaker0>useful for lifting team,
 
 00:59:17.841 --> 00:59:21.661
 <v Speaker0>and because this was one of a problem you know how many times i've been asked,
 
 00:59:22.323 --> 00:59:26.617
 <v Speaker0>how are you calculating the wind speed for excavators the telehunter?
 
 00:59:26.617 --> 00:59:30.763
 <v Speaker0>How do you know if it's winded off or it's not? And everyone was like.
 
 00:59:33.062 --> 00:59:38.263
 <v Speaker0>I don't know just going, looking on BBC or XU wherever.
 
 00:59:38.919 --> 00:59:42.527
 <v Speaker0>And everyone is like yeah but that's not working, you know that.
 
 00:59:42.627 --> 00:59:47.267
 <v Speaker0>And everyone's like okay and this is the idea when we started and said okay
 
 00:59:47.607 --> 00:59:50.030
 <v Speaker0>let's create something that works everywhere and it works,
 
 00:59:51.081 --> 00:59:56.436
 <v Speaker0>Whereas in the UK, for the minute, it's for the UK only. But this is still in
 
 00:59:56.436 --> 01:00:00.746
 <v Speaker0>the beginning stages where we're still working and tweaking stuff.
 
 01:00:01.205 --> 01:00:07.374
 <v Speaker0>But we are really happy now. It's 95% or 96% is working.
 
 01:00:07.978 --> 01:00:14.211
 <v Speaker0>And very soon, our client also has got access to it and he can use this.
 
 01:00:14.850 --> 01:00:19.156
 <v Speaker0>And in the future, if it works, we were thinking to use this crane's equipment.
 
 01:00:19.156 --> 01:00:21.537
 <v Speaker0>It's already installed on each crane in yours as well.
 
 01:00:22.280 --> 01:00:28.956
 <v Speaker0>And if that works, we can connect to this wind crane app where you can take
 
 01:00:28.956 --> 01:00:35.434
 <v Speaker0>locations, different locations. So that will give us more accurate information.
 
 01:00:36.276 --> 01:00:42.826
 <v Speaker1>Right. So just to be clear, at the moment, it's not giving live readings of
 
 01:00:42.826 --> 01:00:50.185
 <v Speaker1>what cranes are receiving in the wind. It's doing like a forecast of each height.
 
 01:00:50.313 --> 01:00:54.916
 <v Speaker1>So it's useful for viewers who don't know that general weather forecasts are
 
 01:00:54.916 --> 01:00:57.952
 <v Speaker1>measured from about 10 metres off the ground, yeah?
 
 01:00:58.474 --> 01:01:02.206
 <v Speaker1>But wind, like you say, wind greatly increases the higher up you go.
 
 01:01:02.206 --> 01:01:06.236
 <v Speaker1>So you could have multiple cranes or multiple jobs at a different height.
 
 01:01:06.625 --> 01:01:11.430
 <v Speaker1>So, yeah, so let's say you've got one crane on one site that's 100 metres tall,
 
 01:01:11.761 --> 01:01:16.056
 <v Speaker1>another one on another site that's like 30 metres tall, and people are saying
 
 01:01:16.056 --> 01:01:19.447
 <v Speaker1>well why are they still working and you're winded off so
 
 01:01:19.923 --> 01:01:23.346
 <v Speaker1>it's like you said earlier so people could see what the wind is at at different
 
 01:01:23.346 --> 01:01:27.022
 <v Speaker1>heights so it's used for multi -crane jobs
 
 01:01:27.788 --> 01:01:33.866
 <v Speaker0>Exactly it's not a live app but it will be in the future if is this working
 
 01:01:33.866 --> 01:01:37.246
 <v Speaker0>and we are happy with it we can connect to the wind crane which is that will
 
 01:01:37.246 --> 01:01:39.096
 <v Speaker0>give you a live information,
 
 01:01:39.741 --> 01:01:43.866
 <v Speaker0>still we have live information from different points in the UK as well from
 
 01:01:43.866 --> 01:01:45.761
 <v Speaker0>mathematics because they have their own,
 
 01:01:46.626 --> 01:01:49.952
 <v Speaker0>anninometers installed around you know across the UK and,
 
 01:01:50.880 --> 01:01:54.467
 <v Speaker0>So we have that live information from different locations.
 
 01:01:55.326 --> 01:02:00.504
 <v Speaker0>But once we reconnect to these, you know, planes apps, wind apps,
 
 01:02:00.824 --> 01:02:03.000
 <v Speaker0>then it gives you specific information.
 
 01:02:03.407 --> 01:02:06.784
 <v Speaker0>Because as we know, there's lots of planes, especially in the city of London.
 
 01:02:07.788 --> 01:02:13.541
 <v Speaker0>And that all gives you a more accurate life. You can have that job right next to you.
 
 01:02:13.785 --> 01:02:17.488
 <v Speaker0>And you can see on the map where it's reading the information.
 
 01:02:17.488 --> 01:02:20.339
 <v Speaker0>It's not 10 miles away. It's right next door.
 
 01:02:21.788 --> 01:02:25.308
 <v Speaker0>And we're still working that's what i'm saying we're still working we're trying
 
 01:02:25.308 --> 01:02:28.308
 <v Speaker0>to understand it's not we thought this is going to be an easy app we're going
 
 01:02:28.308 --> 01:02:32.843
 <v Speaker0>to be okay we're doing this it will work there you go but we find out as we're going,
 
 01:02:33.458 --> 01:02:37.218
 <v Speaker0>it's not that easy as we think so it takes a little bit more time to create
 
 01:02:37.218 --> 01:02:41.573
 <v Speaker0>this we don't want to just put a product out there just because oh there you go we've done it,
 
 01:02:42.026 --> 01:02:45.915
 <v Speaker0>but we still have work to do no we're trying to come with the final the product,
 
 01:02:46.252 --> 01:02:51.018
 <v Speaker0>they will give it to our clients so we know it's 100% is working and is accurate.
 
 01:02:52.626 --> 01:02:57.544
 <v Speaker1>Yeah, brilliant, brilliant. Like it. So that's all the topics covered.
 
 01:02:57.544 --> 01:02:58.977
 <v Speaker1>Let's bring all this together now.
 
 01:03:00.869 --> 01:03:04.134
 <v Speaker1>When I look at everything you're developing, there's a common theme of making
 
 01:03:04.454 --> 01:03:09.111
 <v Speaker1>information easier for the person actually doing the job to access and understand.
 
 01:03:09.680 --> 01:03:12.234
 <v Speaker1>I think that's ultimately what you're trying to achieve, yeah?
 
 01:03:13.012 --> 01:03:13.395
 <v Speaker0>Yes.
 
 01:03:13.946 --> 01:03:18.494
 <v Speaker1>Yes. So where do you see all this going? If we have this conversation again
 
 01:03:18.494 --> 01:03:22.564
 <v Speaker1>in five years, How different do you think lift planning, RAMs,
 
 01:03:22.564 --> 01:03:24.807
 <v Speaker1>and site documentation will look?
 
 01:03:27.170 --> 01:03:30.137
 <v Speaker0>I don't think, you know, accompanying people will disappear.
 
 01:03:31.327 --> 01:03:32.900
 <v Speaker0>Right. I don't believe that.
 
 01:03:33.984 --> 01:03:37.904
 <v Speaker0>I think their tools will improve.
 
 01:03:38.734 --> 01:03:46.507
 <v Speaker0>Yeah. People will understand how to use AI and get the best out of it.
 
 01:03:46.721 --> 01:03:52.016
 <v Speaker0>Instead of using it now to generate stuff, he will use it to create stuff.
 
 01:03:53.229 --> 01:03:56.590
 <v Speaker0>Which is, I think, this is what we see the future.
 
 01:04:00.154 --> 01:04:05.678
 <v Speaker0>And it's still in early stages now in constructions.
 
 01:04:07.363 --> 01:04:11.647
 <v Speaker0>Where people were trying to understand and trying to fit its purpose,
 
 01:04:12.482 --> 01:04:17.021
 <v Speaker0>if you know what I mean, trying to understand if we work on these scenarios,
 
 01:04:17.021 --> 01:04:18.450
 <v Speaker0>if we work on these scenarios.
 
 01:04:19.291 --> 01:04:24.138
 <v Speaker0>We try now, we're trying to integrate this in documentation as well,
 
 01:04:24.545 --> 01:04:29.863
 <v Speaker0>which is early stages. We will see in 10 years how this goes,
 
 01:04:30.200 --> 01:04:33.955
 <v Speaker0>but I don't think so this will replace the humans.
 
 01:04:34.257 --> 01:04:41.415
 <v Speaker1>No, I agree. I agree. and let's be honest you know AI is here and it is coming big time.
 
 01:04:41.572 --> 01:04:44.875
 <v Speaker1>It's here already it's a big topic at the moment across the board.
 
 01:04:45.020 --> 01:04:48.721
 <v Speaker1>People need to embrace it and people need to understand it and need to understand
 
 01:04:48.721 --> 01:04:51.759
 <v Speaker1>how they can use it properly and not
 
 01:04:54.400 --> 01:05:01.511
 <v Speaker1>mistreat it and I don't know use it the wrong way basically.
 
 01:05:01.511 --> 01:05:07.241
 <v Speaker1>They need to know how to use it properly and safely so it's So it is coming,
 
 01:05:07.241 --> 01:05:08.565
 <v Speaker1>so people need to be aware of that.
 
 01:05:08.565 --> 01:05:11.971
 <v Speaker0>I don't blame anyone because, as I said earlier, it's still in the beginning.
 
 01:05:11.971 --> 01:05:14.228
 <v Speaker0>So people are still trying to figure out how can you use it.
 
 01:05:14.878 --> 01:05:15.221
 <v Speaker1>Yeah.
 
 01:05:15.662 --> 01:05:22.303
 <v Speaker0>And that's why you understand if it works in that way for you or if it's not.
 
 01:05:23.371 --> 01:05:27.661
 <v Speaker0>I know people are still using different stuff. They're trying to create different
 
 01:05:27.661 --> 01:05:29.983
 <v Speaker0>stuff. But this is how we learn.
 
 01:05:30.157 --> 01:05:35.901
 <v Speaker0>Probably everyone is, when you start using the AI, you ask them basic questions.
 
 01:05:35.901 --> 01:05:39.541
 <v Speaker0>And now, why are you using more and more and more? Now you're trying to understand,
 
 01:05:39.541 --> 01:05:43.596
 <v Speaker0>okay, this is how you work. So you need to give me more information as you go.
 
 01:05:43.973 --> 01:05:51.612
 <v Speaker0>You also, I think you make competent people probably better informed.
 
 01:05:52.112 --> 01:05:53.975
 <v Speaker1>Yeah, I agree.
 
 01:05:54.579 --> 01:05:54.875
 <v Speaker0>Right.
 
 01:05:55.391 --> 01:06:02.591
 <v Speaker1>So we do, on my podcast, we do a bit of fun at the end. So I ask some nonsense
 
 01:06:02.591 --> 01:06:06.663
 <v Speaker1>questions and nonsense random questions. But first, before we get to that,
 
 01:06:07.244 --> 01:06:09.310
 <v Speaker1>is there a question that you'd like to ask me?
 
 01:06:11.676 --> 01:06:14.956
 <v Speaker0>To be honest, I was thinking, and,
 
 01:06:18.276 --> 01:06:22.726
 <v Speaker0>I don't know how to put this, but you spend a lot of time speaking to people
 
 01:06:22.726 --> 01:06:24.323
 <v Speaker0>across the lifting industry.
 
 01:06:25.740 --> 01:06:32.436
 <v Speaker0>If you can change one thing about the way we plan and communicate the lifting
 
 01:06:32.436 --> 01:06:35.434
 <v Speaker0>operations today, what would be?
 
 01:06:37.512 --> 01:06:38.313
 <v Speaker0>Ooh.
 
 01:06:40.635 --> 01:06:45.929
 <v Speaker1>Wow it's easy one how is it that's a difficult one that takes a lot of thought
 
 01:06:46.996 --> 01:06:52.634
 <v Speaker1>yeah yeah change one thing about how we plan and what plan and what
 
 01:06:52.785 --> 01:06:55.055
 <v Speaker0>And communicate lifting operation,
 
 01:06:58.705 --> 01:07:01.836
 <v Speaker0>because we've done you know the we've done our 3d lift plan we're trying to
 
 01:07:01.836 --> 01:07:04.760
 <v Speaker0>you know give that and trying to make it as easy as we can.
 
 01:07:05.311 --> 01:07:08.777
 <v Speaker1>Yeah okay well that i mean well that's the obvious answer isn't it then
 
 01:07:09.630 --> 01:07:10.559
 <v Speaker0>But how's our answer,
 
 01:07:14.036 --> 01:07:15.226
 <v Speaker0>yeah well i think.
 
 01:07:15.545 --> 01:07:21.306
 <v Speaker1>Yeah so i mean i think that's where it sits make it easier for people to make
 
 01:07:21.306 --> 01:07:25.756
 <v Speaker1>it easier for people to read and understand the information um that that's one
 
 01:07:25.756 --> 01:07:29.419
 <v Speaker1>thing for a start because like i said earlier i go on a job
 
 01:07:30.661 --> 01:07:33.786
 <v Speaker1>before i start i have to i have to sign the lift plan i have to look through
 
 01:07:33.786 --> 01:07:38.423
 <v Speaker1>these documents so what a lot of people do they just click the pages and go
 
 01:07:38.736 --> 01:07:39.735
 <v Speaker1>just show me where to sign
 
 01:07:40.124 --> 01:07:43.866
 <v Speaker1>you know yes and they just go to the back of the book and sign it without even
 
 01:07:43.866 --> 01:07:46.716
 <v Speaker1>knowing any of the information that's on there because you've got a book like
 
 01:07:46.716 --> 01:07:52.894
 <v Speaker1>that that's got a load of irrelevant information on there that you don't even need to know and so
 
 01:07:53.957 --> 01:07:59.596
 <v Speaker1>for start make it easier for people to find the information and understand the
 
 01:07:59.596 --> 01:08:01.490
 <v Speaker1>information and make it more engaging,
 
 01:08:02.942 --> 01:08:04.637
 <v Speaker1>make people more accessible,
 
 01:08:05.676 --> 01:08:09.550
 <v Speaker1>So like you say, some people, you don't even know who the important person is.
 
 01:08:09.550 --> 01:08:11.690
 <v Speaker1>You haven't got their phone number. I've had that many times.
 
 01:08:11.690 --> 01:08:16.850
 <v Speaker1>So you have to rely on your other crane operators to get information.
 
 01:08:16.850 --> 01:08:18.174
 <v Speaker1>That information could be wrong.
 
 01:08:19.138 --> 01:08:23.728
 <v Speaker1>So, yeah, so that's where I would start, right at the beginning.
 
 01:08:24.124 --> 01:08:28.690
 <v Speaker1>Make it easier for people to understand and make people more accessible.
 
 01:08:28.690 --> 01:08:29.970
 <v Speaker1>I hope that's a good enough answer.
 
 01:08:30.020 --> 01:08:36.040
 <v Speaker1>I wish I'd have got you to tell me what this question is before. so i could have
 
 01:08:36.040 --> 01:08:41.060
 <v Speaker0>Thought that's why i want to you know hear your your you know straight answers.
 
 01:08:41.060 --> 01:08:44.950
 <v Speaker1>Yeah yeah i should yeah um yeah i wish i'd have had more time to think of a
 
 01:08:44.950 --> 01:08:48.180
 <v Speaker1>proper answer but i think that's i think that's a good enough answer
 
 01:08:48.180 --> 01:08:54.110
 <v Speaker0>Yeah yeah but that's why exactly that's what we do because we think it doesn't
 
 01:08:54.110 --> 01:08:57.187
 <v Speaker0>matter how many information you can put in the documents,
 
 01:08:57.715 --> 01:09:01.848
 <v Speaker0>and how good it is because everyone is thinking when he's doing his own documents,
 
 01:09:02.348 --> 01:09:05.990
 <v Speaker0>this is the best I've done it, but this is the best we could get out of it,
 
 01:09:05.990 --> 01:09:07.508
 <v Speaker0>you know, with the information we have.
 
 01:09:08.449 --> 01:09:13.186
 <v Speaker0>But it doesn't matter how good is the document if the information doesn't go to the team.
 
 01:09:14.708 --> 01:09:19.594
 <v Speaker0>That's why I'm trying to explain everyone. You could have a 50 years experience in lifting.
 
 01:09:20.006 --> 01:09:24.180
 <v Speaker0>You could be the top, you know, appointing person. And I met a lot of people
 
 01:09:24.180 --> 01:09:26.967
 <v Speaker0>there better than me, more experienced than me.
 
 01:09:27.415 --> 01:09:30.970
 <v Speaker0>And I was chatting with them. But it doesn't matter if you know all of it and
 
 01:09:30.970 --> 01:09:35.396
 <v Speaker0>if you don't, you know, give it out there to the lifting team to understand,
 
 01:09:36.005 --> 01:09:39.070
 <v Speaker0>and share that information, it's mean nothing.
 
 01:09:39.709 --> 01:09:43.540
 <v Speaker0>Yeah, exactly. It's mean nothing. And that's what we do. We put our information
 
 01:09:43.540 --> 01:09:46.590
 <v Speaker0>when we're trying to give it to people. We try and put it in the videos.
 
 01:09:46.590 --> 01:09:49.130
 <v Speaker0>We try and create this AI, quick and access,
 
 01:09:51.295 --> 01:09:57.186
 <v Speaker0>you know, clear images as well. So people can understand and see and access from anywhere.
 
 01:09:57.906 --> 01:10:02.608
 <v Speaker1>Yeah. Brilliant. I love it. You're doing a good job, man. You're doing a good job.
 
 01:10:03.485 --> 01:10:06.701
 <v Speaker1>Let's finish on some nonsense questions. Just a quick fire round.
 
 01:10:06.933 --> 01:10:09.156
 <v Speaker1>Five questions, right? Just a bit of fun.
 
 01:10:10.154 --> 01:10:13.085
 <v Speaker1>Would you have a personal chef or a personal chauffeur?
 
 01:10:14.519 --> 01:10:15.274
 <v Speaker0>Chauffeur.
 
 01:10:16.115 --> 01:10:16.649
 <v Speaker1>Oh, really?
 
 01:10:17.166 --> 01:10:17.303
 <v Speaker0>Yeah.
 
 01:10:18.252 --> 01:10:19.283
 <v Speaker1>Okay, okay.
 
 01:10:19.283 --> 01:10:23.013
 <v Speaker0>I like cooking, but I don't really like to driving. I always get distressed.
 
 01:10:23.013 --> 01:10:24.591
 <v Speaker0>I'm looking around. Yeah.
 
 01:10:25.247 --> 01:10:27.603
 <v Speaker0>When you see a plane, you'll be like, oh, what's that?
 
 01:10:28.445 --> 01:10:32.763
 <v Speaker1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Interesting, interesting. If you could live anywhere
 
 01:10:32.763 --> 01:10:34.964
 <v Speaker1>in the world for a year, where would you go?
 
 01:10:37.036 --> 01:10:37.791
 <v Speaker0>Oh, yeah.
 
 01:10:41.408 --> 01:10:45.293
 <v Speaker0>If you ask me about a few months ago, I would say Greece. I just visited Rome
 
 01:10:45.293 --> 01:10:47.892
 <v Speaker0>and I love Rome, so I'll go for Rome now.
 
 01:10:48.350 --> 01:10:56.383
 <v Speaker1>Nice, nice. I love it. Would you have £1 million today or would you have £100,000
 
 01:10:56.383 --> 01:10:58.125
 <v Speaker1>every year for the rest of your life?
 
 01:10:59.338 --> 01:11:00.551
 <v Speaker0>I'll take the second option.
 
 01:11:01.120 --> 01:11:06.112
 <v Speaker1>Yeah. Okay. You'll be in it for the long game. £100,000 a year, yeah?
 
 01:11:07.442 --> 01:11:08.684
 <v Speaker0>Yeah, I'll be all right with that.
 
 01:11:09.125 --> 01:11:14.152
 <v Speaker1>Interesting. I think a lot of people would say, give me a million today and then I can invest that.
 
 01:11:15.348 --> 01:11:18.471
 <v Speaker0>It is, but it depends what your plans as well.
 
 01:11:18.599 --> 01:11:21.293
 <v Speaker0>If you want to invest something and you want to do it right now,
 
 01:11:21.293 --> 01:11:25.093
 <v Speaker0>and be honest with you, when you look out now on the news with these wars and
 
 01:11:25.093 --> 01:11:31.567
 <v Speaker0>stuff, it could be that 100,000, you know, in 30 years could be means nothing. So you lost up a million.
 
 01:11:32.148 --> 01:11:33.193
 <v Speaker1>Yeah. Yeah.
 
 01:11:33.657 --> 01:11:36.095
 <v Speaker0>Do you know what I mean? So it depends on your plans.
 
 01:11:36.734 --> 01:11:37.430
 <v Speaker1>Okay.
 
 01:11:37.593 --> 01:11:40.863
 <v Speaker0>Don't solve the answers in good or bad, but it just depends on your plans.
 
 01:11:40.863 --> 01:11:46.063
 <v Speaker0>If you need a family member or your kids, I'll take that million and I'll just
 
 01:11:46.063 --> 01:11:48.853
 <v Speaker0>go straight for it. I don't want, I don't have to wait, you know,
 
 01:11:48.853 --> 01:11:51.500
 <v Speaker0>30 years to get the money and do something.
 
 01:11:52.046 --> 01:11:57.123
 <v Speaker1>Yeah. So next question then, of that first 100 grand, what's the first thing
 
 01:11:57.123 --> 01:11:58.066
 <v Speaker1>you'd spend your money on?
 
 01:11:59.935 --> 01:12:01.572
 <v Speaker0>Spend my money on?
 
 01:12:04.881 --> 01:12:11.940
 <v Speaker0>Probably just to go on a holiday, but spend a few quid just to go on a holiday,
 
 01:12:12.555 --> 01:12:14.807
 <v Speaker0>to think about what I'm going to do with the rest of the money.
 
 01:12:15.341 --> 01:12:20.949
 <v Speaker0>I'll always think about this because I don't want to just jump and start spending everything.
 
 01:12:21.129 --> 01:12:25.548
 <v Speaker0>I wanted to understand and just take a time off and clear all your thoughts
 
 01:12:25.548 --> 01:12:26.655
 <v Speaker0>and put everything together.
 
 01:12:27.456 --> 01:12:32.936
 <v Speaker1>Yes. Good idea. Good advice that is. Last one. How do you challenge yourself?
 
 01:12:35.438 --> 01:12:37.337
 <v Speaker0>Oh, that's not an easy one.
 
 01:12:40.883 --> 01:12:45.957
 <v Speaker0>Probably we go through all these podcasts and this is what we do all the time.
 
 01:12:46.274 --> 01:12:52.503
 <v Speaker0>I'm trying for myself. I'm trying to push myself and, you know,
 
 01:12:54.146 --> 01:12:57.008
 <v Speaker0>trying to bring something new.
 
 01:12:57.368 --> 01:13:00.706
 <v Speaker0>And every day of my life is learning.
 
 01:13:01.873 --> 01:13:05.968
 <v Speaker0>It's learning. It's trying to understand. And I spent loads of money learning
 
 01:13:05.968 --> 01:13:10.430
 <v Speaker0>as well, trying to be a better me and, uh,
 
 01:13:11.799 --> 01:13:16.021
 <v Speaker0>Yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot. If you ask me this question, I probably can go
 
 01:13:16.021 --> 01:13:20.681
 <v Speaker0>for another podcast. But I'm trying to push myself every time.
 
 01:13:20.681 --> 01:13:24.726
 <v Speaker0>And you probably see what we're doing. And this is the answer.
 
 01:13:25.366 --> 01:13:28.901
 <v Speaker1>Yes, good answer. I'm the same. I'm the same. Right, that's how it's done.
 
 01:13:28.901 --> 01:13:32.964
 <v Speaker1>So we're at the end now. Let's talk about this voucher.
 
 01:13:33.881 --> 01:13:35.042
 <v Speaker1>Pay attention, everybody.
 
 01:13:35.982 --> 01:13:40.641
 <v Speaker1>Your free gift. If you're a company just starting out, or if you're unfamiliar
 
 01:13:40.641 --> 01:13:46.471
 <v Speaker1>with this type of work, you may be eligible for a £400 voucher towards a lift
 
 01:13:46.471 --> 01:13:49.536
 <v Speaker1>plan, rams, or rescue planning.
 
 01:13:49.930 --> 01:13:53.942
 <v Speaker1>Or if there's anything else that you need specific, that can also be discussed.
 
 01:13:54.261 --> 01:13:58.331
 <v Speaker1>So if that's something that you're interested in, just contact me on LinkedIn
 
 01:13:58.331 --> 01:14:03.642
 <v Speaker1>or George, or email me on info at constructioncogs.com and we'll chat.
 
 01:14:04.211 --> 01:14:07.751
 <v Speaker1>I'll leave those details in the description. I think that's an amazing thing
 
 01:14:07.751 --> 01:14:08.965
 <v Speaker1>you're doing, George. Thank you.
 
 01:14:09.574 --> 01:14:14.761
 <v Speaker0>Yes. I'm trying to help, you know, other people or people who are trying to
 
 01:14:15.061 --> 01:14:18.224
 <v Speaker0>access our documentation and see what we're doing, you know, as a trial.
 
 01:14:20.093 --> 01:14:23.077
 <v Speaker0>But first of all, you're just helping, you know, new businesses as well.
 
 01:14:23.460 --> 01:14:30.896
 <v Speaker0>If anyone needs lift plans or runs, get in contact with Jim and we'll explain to you how it works.
 
 01:14:31.604 --> 01:14:36.081
 <v Speaker1>Thank you. Brilliant. George, been a really, really good episode of this.
 
 01:14:36.081 --> 01:14:40.141
 <v Speaker1>Very informative. you know what you're doing and there's a lot of useful information
 
 01:14:40.141 --> 01:14:45.641
 <v Speaker1>there and lots of innovative ideas that you've developed i'm sure the industry
 
 01:14:45.641 --> 01:14:50.017
 <v Speaker1>is going to find all of this useful and make use of it i really do
 
 01:14:50.487 --> 01:14:51.172
 <v Speaker0>Thank you yeah.
 
 01:14:51.590 --> 01:14:56.301
 <v Speaker1>Thanks for your time mate and we'll keep in touch as we normally do hopefully
 
 01:14:56.301 --> 01:14:57.929
 <v Speaker1>meet up for a coffee soon again
 
 01:14:58.294 --> 01:14:59.862
 <v Speaker0>Yes no problem yeah.
 
 01:15:00.355 --> 01:15:03.774
 <v Speaker1>Yeah enjoy the rest of your sunday mate you take care
 
 01:15:04.320 --> 01:15:05.057
 <v Speaker0>And you mate.